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Ep. 29: Mike Dever Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Mike Dever
Mike Dever

My guest today is Mike Dever, an American businessman, futures trader, entrepreneur, and author. Dever is the founder and CEO of Brandywine Asset Management, Inc., an investment management firm founded in 1982.

The topic is Trend Following.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • Being an entrepreneur from an early age and making his first investments in his early 20s
  • Some of the myths discussed in “Jackass Investing”
  • How everybody is a market timer
  • The stigma against investing in futures
  • Return drivers
  • The risks you take by being risk averse
  • The shift in attitudes towards volatility in America
  • Why strategies based on sound return drivers are so important to his firm and where he’s at today

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Ep. 28: Entrepreneurism with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Episode 28
Episode 28

Please enjoy my monologue Entrepreneurism: The Importance of Not Doing What You’re Told with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio. This episode may also include great outside guests from my archive.

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An Investor Checklist

Barry Ritholtz offers an investor checklist of the most common errors investors make:

1. High Fees Are A Drag on Returns
2. Mutual Fund Are Inferior to ETFs
3. Reaching for Yield is Extremely Dangerous
4. Asset Allocation Decisions matter more than stock selection
5. Passive is usually better than Active Management
6. You must understand “The Long Cycle”
7. Behavioral Issues Are Costly
8. Cognitive Errors as well
9. Understand your own risk tolerance
10. Pay Guys Like Me For the Right Reason

White Ritholtz was clearly not writing with only the trend following trader in mind, many of these are spot on for trend following.


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Think About the Random Nature of Trends

Trends either up or down are random. You never know when one will hit, but you have to be ready for their unexpected arrival. Here are some recent trend examples:

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However, it’s not about one winning chart or two or three. It’s about a portfolio of markets in the context of a complete trend following system. And yes there will be losing charts too.


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Right Action and Beliefs: Foundational for Trading Success

The rules and the math are a mission critical part of trend following success, but your mind’s organization will always be the determining factor for long and worthwhile gains. Marcus Aurelius wrote:

Two kinds of readiness are constantly needed: (i) to do only what the logos of authority and law directs, with the good of human beings in mind; (ii) to reconsider your position, when someone can set you straight or convert you to his. But your conversion should always rest on a conviction that it’s right, or benefits others–nothing else. Not because it’s more appealing or more popular.

This is why so many convert to trend following–it can be believed and it is right.


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Geneva Trend Following Insights: Still Ignored

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Hello Michael, Warm greetings here from Switzerland! I thought I would give you some feedback from a conference I attended last week in Geneva: The Opal European Wealth and Family Office Conference. It reminded me again of how much work we need to do to spread the logic of basic trend following amongst this group. The three-day conference was very much focused on issues of feeling, judgements and nothing short of predictions about asset classes, which countries they should be investing in and the general direction of the market. It is genuinely frustrating to find that trend following is still confined to and seen as a specialized CTA strategy, one of many others. Thankfully, there was a short section (discussed in a separate boardroom) about CTAs and their role in a portfolio, and it would appear that there was a greater deal of acceptance of trend following amongst this group. I also cannot help but feel that even though we are all in the same industry, actual fund managers and those who allocate assets (and therefore judge and analyze us) are in fact very far removed from one another. Michael, we are in the process of building our business and diversifying beyond our own single strategy fund. We have planned for some time to create a fund-of-fund of esteemed peers: the qualification simply being systematic trend followers who we respect from both a quantitative and qualitative point of view. As you know, there are some fancy software and websites which allow you to do quantitative analysis on these. However, we kindly want to ask your opinion and suggestions on the handful of funds here in Europe and the UK which you in your experience find to fit well with your idea of systematic trend followers (regardless of trading instruments, asset class or such variables such as AUM). Of course, there are people like [name] and the like, but preferably ones that are not as well-known as the more famous ones. We will treat your suggestions with confidence and will not hold you responsible for your suggestions; they will simply provide an interesting angle from which to begin our analysis, from somebody whose opinion we hold in high regard. Thank you so much and all the best to you Michael. PS: Thank you for the many updates on both your blog and Facebook. Sometimes you are the only reason for going onto Facebook!

Thanks for the insights and feedback!

I am an open book, however. My experience with assorted managers (by name) is across my websites, 4 books, film and podcast episodes.

It’s all transparent.


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I Never Promise Secrets: Trend Following is Hard Work

Pauline Skypala writes in FT.com “Secrets of winning systems remain hidden”:

Homespun investment wisdom does not come much cheesier than the Whipsaw Song, available on YouTube. Sung to a bluegrass tune, it imparts the trading philosophy of Ed Seykota, who is regularly described as a legendary trend-following trader. His advice is simple: ride your winners, cut your losses, manage your risk, use stops, stick to the system, file (ie, ignore) the news.

The same list could also be used to summarise the lessons Michael Covel seeks to teach in The Little Book of Trading: Trend Following Strategy for Big Winnings (John Wiley & Sons, 2011). But there is a caveat; it is not as easy as it might sound. In fact, the main insight Mr. Covel provides is that successful trading is hard won, and requires an entrepreneurial mindset, a fascination with numbers and charts, and discipline. A helping hand from a mentor such as Mr Seykota does not go amiss either.

Mr. Covel’s profiles of big name trend followers are more likely to persuade readers to hand over their money to these people than to attempt to emulate them. Retail investors “tend to blow up”, he says, because they lack the discipline to “stick with their system”. The most common mistake is a failure to cut losses–to let emotion interfere.

Clearly, traders need to believe in whatever system they devise so they can trust it sufficiently to leave it alone. Mr. Covel does not give anything away about the workings of the systems of the successful traders he writes about, such as Larry Hite, David Harding and Michael Clarke. He does not “reveal the secrets of trend following insiders” as is promised on the cover blurb.

Such information would doubtless be worth far more than the price of the book, but some of the reviewers on Amazon obviously felt short-changed by the lack of any discussion of trading strategies.

The book merely contains advice such as this: “Certain types of systems do perform better than others, and selecting certain clusters of variables within a system will affect system performance.” Then repetition of the point already made, that once established, a system must be followed religiously. Further, a system must work across all futures markets, over many types of market conditions and over many timeframes.

Such a system could take some time to perfect, but Mr. Covel reassures readers that they can operate it out of their bedroom. There is no need for a big office and an army of PhDs (unless you want to do very short term trading or “sophisticated PhD stuff”, which he does not define).

He advises that market selection is a crucial element in success. Any system would have made money in cotton, but none would have done so in cocoa, for example. “There’s a pervasive mindset that every market should be weighted equally. That’s not true,” he writes in the chapter on David Druz, who apparently learned this from Mr Seykota.

However, in a later chapter, Mr. Covel says one of the key realisations was “that risk management centered on trading markets equally, from a risk perspective, was mission critical. You just can’t favour one market over another.”

The first point is about portfolio selection, the second about risk management, so they are not as contradictory as they first appear. Presumably they are both factors that need to be built into a system.

But the rambling and repetitive nature of the book is unhelpful in tying such points together.

Mr. Covel is an evangelist for the trend following style of investment. He decries traditional investment approaches that rely on fundamental analysis, and says buy and hold investing via mutual funds will never make anyone rich. Selling trend-following courses is his business, so this is no surprise.

The apparent ability of trend following commodity trading advisers to make money when all others are losing it, as in 2008, has made investors sit up and take notice of this corner of the investment world. Mr. Covel’s book is timely in that respect.

But the idea that anyone with some skill in maths and computer programming can achieve similar results is fanciful. They may get lucky, but are more likely to get wiped out.

My first thought is courtesy of Seth Godin:

Stand out or fit in. Not all the time, and never at the same time, but it’s always a choice. Those that choose to fit in should expect to avoid criticism (and be ignored). Those that stand out should expect neither.

Thanks for paying attention. Now a dialogue can unfurl. You can find a little snippet of a response on today’s podcast too (first few minutes).

Note: I never promise secrets in my books, film or training. Trend following for those not yet familiar with it is all about gaining knowledge you might not have yet. Perhaps, that can be characterized as secrets by some, but it really comes down to hard work–why people pay me.

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How can you move forward immediately to Trend Following profits? My books and my Flagship Course and Systems are trusted options by clients in 70+ countries.

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Trend Following is for beginners, students and pros in all countries. This is not day trading 5-minute bars, prediction or analyzing fundamentals–it’s Trend Following.