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Cold Truth About Emotional Investing

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WSJ: What do you mean by emotional finance?

PROF. TUCKETT: What we try to do in emotional finance is start with the fact that the future is unknowable. The key thing about uncertainty is that it inevitably generates feelings. Because it matters to you, because your money’s on the line, so to speak, you’re bound to feel emotionally engaged.

WSJ: Some people think pros are more rational than individual investors.

PROF. TAFFLER: Although most of the fund managers we interviewed saw part of their particular competitive advantage as remaining, as they described it, unemotional or rational, in practice they were just as emotional as anyone else when they started to talk about the stocks they had invested in. There were lots of examples where they referred to them almost as if they were lovers.

If you’re entering into an emotional relationship with a stock, an asset or a company that can let you down, this leads to anxiety, which is often not consciously acknowledged. But it’s there, bubbling beneath the surface.

WSJ: The fund managers told stories about their investments. What was the role you found that storytelling played in their decision making?

PROF. TUCKETT: They have to feel conviction. With a narrative you can join up different facts with emotions, and that creates a sense of conviction, and that is absolutely essential for action. So we aren’t saying “Oh, they’re only storytellers.” We’re saying you need to tell a story.

PROF. TAFFLER: One of the fund managers talked about investing in a fast-food company, how he visited the restaurants and looked at what people were ordering. The story was about seeing something nobody else could see, and that feeling gave him the confidence to invest.

WSJ: Could you talk about what investors expect from fund managers and what effect that has on the fund managers?

PROF. TAFFLER: A very important insight in emotional finance is the concept of the fantastic object. It’s like Aladdin’s lamp, which you polish and can have anything you want. In unconscious terms this is ultimately what we are all looking for.

The whole environment is problematic, because fund managers are expected to outperform on a continuous basis, in competition with other equally able and well-resourced managers, and of course not everyone can do this. So actually the fund managers are required to be fantastic objects, to earn continuous superior returns at low risk. This is, of course, only possible in fantasy, not reality.

To be able to do this, fund managers have to be able to believe they can find fantastic objects themselves, stocks with which they can have special relationships and which are going to outperform with minimal risk.

WSJ: With individual investors, I suppose it’s about managing the uncertainty of putting their money into the markets—it helps if they’ve got this idea of the star manager who can handle it all for them.

PROF. TAFFLER: Yes. In emotional-finance terms an important part of the fund manager’s job is to defeat uncertainty. In a sense we’ve got an institutional structure which seeks to deny that ultimately we’re all working in an environment that is inherently unpredictable.

WSJ: What can individual investors learn from your research?

PROF. TAFFLER: I’ve done separate research on individual investors, and of course they have all these same feelings writ large. You need to recognize that cognition and emotion go together; you can’t have one without the other. If you were coldly unemotional, which is of course not possible, then you wouldn’t actually be able to generate the conviction necessary to take the risk of investing.

Sums up many reasons why trend following excels.


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Trend Following Works All Markets All Countries

Some feedback and my responses:

Shankar: Hi, Do you have any Indian students?

Covel: Yes.

Shankar: If yes how are they doing, how many?

Covel: I don’t have access to any student’s brokerage account, but you can read feedback here.

Shankar: Ok.

Covel: I would recommend that in the long run you might want to view yourself in search of a good trading education and research. Judging your potential success by the success or lack thereof from your neighbor will not help you find success. More here on the issues of taking responsibility for your success.


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Ep. 119: On Being Picked with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

On Being Picked with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio
On Being Picked with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Please enjoy my monologue On Being Picked with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio. This episode may also include great outside guests from my archive.

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Spread the Trend Following Word

Trend following in Canada feedback:

Greetings Michael, My name is Abbas xxx and I am a 27 year old trend following advocate from Mississauga a small suburb just 20 miles outside of Toronto in Canada. Since I was 14 years old I knew I wanted to be in control of my own destiny and I developed an obsessive passion to learn as much as I could about the markets and what it would take to become a successful trader. My journey led me to the story of the turtles and the bet between Richard Dennis and William Eckhardt on whether or not trading was a learnable skill or if it was a special talent you had to be born with. I was so fascinated by the story that I wanted to learn as much as I could about the turtles and more importantly trend following. Trend following was a subject that was not covered by many resources and trying to learn more about the subject appeared to be quite the challenge until I found an author by the name of Michael Covel. My quest to master the body of knowledge that is trend following led me to your books and materials. Michael the work you have done to spread the word of trend following has changed many lives including my own. You have shed so much light on trend following that you have become to trend following what the sun is to our solar system. Every time I listen to your podcasts I always get goose bumps when you make your plea to your listeners to spread the word of trend following and help you assemble your team. Listening to you speak I wanted to do my part to spread the message of trend following and I see first hand how your voice has not yet even scratched the surface here in Canada. Then an idea came to me on how I could do my part to spread the message of trend following while being a part of team Covel. Michael I want to be an ambassador for trend following here in Canada; I want to spread the message through your materials…The message of trend following is almost non existent in Canada and I know there are many people whose lives could be changed in the same manner that mine was. Michael I would love to hear your thoughts on my proposition. Any feedback is welcome, I am not afraid to hear no, but I want to hear what you think.

Kind regards,
Abbas xxx

Thank you for your nice feedback. Let me consider options!


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Ray Dalio’s Words Of Wisdom That Sound Trend Following-Like

Some feedback:

Michael, congratulations on your work to date. I have your books and they are wonderful resources but I must say your work in the podcast is truly undervalued and trades way below fair value (one for the Ben Grahamites). I have noted you discussing the possibilities of Bridgewater/Dalio actually being the biggest trend followers on the planet. Clearly they don’t openly admit to this but there is plenty of anecdotal evidence to strongly suggest it. Anyway I found the following direct quotes from Dalio that firmly made my mind up. I’m sure you and your followers will also decipher them accordingly.

“Bad opinions can be very costly. Most people come up with opinions and there’s no cost to them. Not so in the market. This is why I have learned to be cautious. No matter how hard I work, I really can’t be sure. I wrestled with my realities, reflected on the consequences of my decisions, and learned and improved from this process.”

Keep up the truly outstanding efforts. More than appreciated.

Regards
Steven

Nice find Steven. When people wonder how some hedge funds might really trade they should consider the film Argo. Subterfuge ain’t a new concept. I don’t know Dalio’s exact strategy, but it is my understanding he calls it a mechanical no discretion all fundamental approach. Well…


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The Kelly Criterion Shocks Some and Inspires Others

Feedback:

Hey there Mike. I was reading the hedge fund Market Wizards where the Kelly criterion was mentioned. To be honest it shocked me that any professional trader would take it seriously. It seems like it directs the trader to risk far more money than any professional trader would ever dare to risk. It tells the trader to risk as much as 20 to 30% of his trading account Mike! This sounds like trader suicide to me. Even after applying the “conservative” method of cutting it in half as one trader in the book suggested you would still be risking 10 to 15% of your trading account on each trade which again is far more than any professional I have heard of risks on his trades. As best I can tell, the Kelly criterion is a totally useless formula for serious traders and I can’t figure out how it even made it into the book. The only professional I have ever heard of who suggests such large bets is Larry Williams in his book in which he advises risking over 10% for some traders which shocked me when I read that book. I was just wondering what are your thoughts on the Kelly criterion?

Dave Druz and Ed Seykota wrote a good piece called “Determining Optimal Risk”. Worth a read if you haven’t checked it out already. Kelly also discussed heavily here.

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Interview with Dan Ariely: The Upside Of Irrationality

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Michael, I heard on the podcast you are visiting my adopted city of Beijing where I have lived for the past 8 years. If you need anything while there, places to go eat, see, my friend has great Israeli restaurant there etc. Whatever you need let me know. My local China mobile number is below. We are out of town so can not meet but can help. Glad you enjoy Asia. I moved there from Wall Street about 8 years ago. Life never been the same ever since. Also, you will love this interview. Full link below. Best of luck with CLSA.

Miguel: Continuing from this definition of decision making you write about the Lancelot story where he’s a fighter and claims that the key to fighting well is not worrying about the outcome but rather focusing on having perfect concentration (minimal stress). How can you relate this story to decision making?

Dan: What is interesting about this story is that by not valuing his life Lancelot became much more rational in a standard way. Basically, the way we think about it is that emotion makes people irrational. Not bad necessarily, but irrational, and if you can disassociate yourself from your emotions you can make more rational decisions. That is exactly what Lancelot was able to do-So during a sword-fight where you want to fight to the best of your ability you don’t want any stress, and to do so you don’t want to think about anything besides the immediate fight. By detaching yourself from emotions you are able to do that.

Thanks for the nice words and words of wisdom!


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