Please enjoy my monologue No Charts, Trade the Price with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio. This episode may also include great outside guests from my archive.
In this episode of Trend Following Radio:
Why cultivating your second string is so important
Foreign players vs. U.S players
Importance of honesty
Having the same standards for everyone
Importance of humility
A different perspective on goal setting
Looking at the big picture
“It’s a journey. It’s a process. It’s difficult. The joy is in the process. The joy isn’t in the final culmination. That fades away pretty quick… The journey is what you are most proud of.” – Gregg Popovich
I am struggling to find good charts online. I mean information friendly, showing plenty of chart history, no technical bullshit just plain easy to read charts. Could you suggest any good charting websites to me? I love your books and podcasts by the way.
Why charts? Why not just the data from csidata.com (as an example)? No charts needed. In fact, why are charts needed? The moment a chart is introduced is the moment subjective analysis rears its ugly head.
Hi Michael, I’ve been trading trends the last 3 years and it’s been good. However, whenever I revisit Market Wizards or listen to your podcasts, I always notice that some of the great traders, including the trend followers, have some fundamental aspects in their trading plus the use of technical indicators other than price. If trading is merely trading numbers and price action is really what matters, is it foolhardy to think that trading without charts(just daily closing prices and nothing else) can be profitable? I had manually churned out a set of performance data based on some EOD price charts of the last 15 years. But I’m planning to work on evaluating my trend following system using only prices and no charts. Is there someone who has traded trends profitably without charts? I appreciate your entire work of trend following. Thank you! Warmest regards, Francis T.
The core trend followers in my books? No funnymentals (Ed Seykota term of course). None of the trend followers in my books talk about charts. They use price data. Do charts help? That’s all subjective! Price is objective.
Here is an example of that from The Hedge Fund Journal:
David Harding spent two years at Sabre Fund Management, each day drawing hundreds of charts by hand, like a true craftsman. Every chart was bound into big leather folders, and in turn each chart pattern was copied into other folders. He likens it to an old-fashioned publishing house. Harding noted without irony that the company was run by accountants, and that “there certainly was method in what was done there.” He continues “I certainly regard my time there as the foundation stone of my credentials as an empiricist. There is nothing like drawing thousands of charts by hand to fix them in your mind. In fact I regard this phase of exhausting taxonomy of technical analysis as being like the relationship used to be between biology and taxonomy in the life sciences. Until something like 1830 you had gentlemen scientists collecting leaves and putting them into folders, and it wasn’t until Darwin that he and others started putting some order on it. Only by arranging data and putting it in order can you get any pattern out of it.
Do you really want to be in a box with millions of traders and investors with the same training, technique and style (i.e. fundamentals, forecasts, buy and hold, talking heads, etc.)? Richard Dennis danced to a different beat and his creation of the Turtles landed him in the hall of fame. Dennis relayed one of his quirks that helped set him apart:
“I used to go to bed with a book of charts,and just flip through them before I went to sleep. I wasn’t trying to analyze or interpret them, just retain them so that my mind could work on them while I slept.”
Who knows if this exercise worked? What matters is that he was so fired up about being great and forever improving, that he was OK with experimenting and trying out new new things. What will you do differently today? Ludwig von Mises nailed it:
“The class of those who have the ability to think their own thoughts is separated by an unbridgeable gulf from the class of those who cannot.”