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Risk and Volatility: Know the Distinction

Risk and Volatility
Risk and Volatility

Risk and volatility are two very different concepts:

Nicola Meaden, a hedge fund researcher, compared monthly standard deviations (volatility as measured from the mean) and semi-standard deviations (volatility measured on the downside only) and found that although trend followers arguably experience higher volatility, it is often concentrated on the upside (positive returns), not the downside (negative returns).

What does this mean? Trend following performance is unfairly penalized by performance measures such as the Sharpe ratio. The Sharpe ratio does not care whether volatility is on the plus or the minus side because it does not account for the difference between the standard deviation and the semi-standard deviation. The actual formula for calculating them is identical, with one exception, the semi-standard deviation looks only at observations below the mean. If the semi-standard deviation is lower than the standard deviation, the historical pull away from the mean has to be on the plus side. If it is higher, the pull away from the mean is on the minus side. Meaden points out the huge difference that puts trend following volatility on the upside if you compare monthly standard (12.51) and semi-standard (5.79) deviation.

Here is another way of thinking about upside volatility: Ponder a market that is going up. You enter at $100 and the market goes to $150. Then the market drops down to $125. Is that necessarily bad? No. Because after going from $100 to $150 and then dropping back to $125, the market might then zoom up to $175. This is upside volatility in action.

Trend followers have greater upside volatility and less downside volatility than traditional equity indices such as the S&P because they exit losing trades quickly with preset stop losses. This means they have many small loses as they constantly try to see if an entry into a market pans out into a big trend.

Michael Rulle, past-president of Graham Capital, helped to mitigate volatility fears:

“A trend follower achieves positive returns by correctly targeting market direction and minimizing the cost of this portfolio. Thus, while trend following is sometimes referred to as being ‘long volatility,’ trend followers technically do not trade volatility, although they often benefit from it.”11 The question, then, is not how to reduce volatility (you can’t control the market after all), but how to manage it through proper position sizing or money management.

Bottom line, you have to get used to riding the bucking bronco. Great trend traders don’t see straight up equity curves in their accounts, so you are in good company when it comes to the up and down nature of making money.

John W. Henry made the clear distinction between volatility and risk:

“…Risk is very different from volatility. A lot of people believe there is no difference, but there’s a huge difference and I can spend an hour on that topic. Suffice it to say that we embrace both volatility and risk and, for us, risk is that we’re going to lose if we risk two tenths of one percent on a particular trade. That is, to us, real risk. Giving back a profit to you probably seems like risk, to us it seems like volatility.”

Henry’s long-term world-view didn’t avoid high volatility. The last thing he wanted to experience was volatility that forced him out of a major trend before he could make big profits. Dinesh Desai, a trend follower from the 1980s, was fond of saying that he loved volatility. Being on the right side of a volatile market was the source of his profits.

Feedback from a listener who gets it:

Greetings Mr. Covel,

During your recent interview with Didier Sornette, you mentioned that you consider risk to be the maximum amount of capital that you can lose. Similar to you, I studied finance in a university and I always disliked the idea that the volatility of an asset’s price is its risk. Perhaps you can produce a podcast discussing the pros and cons of various measures of financial risk. Academia has convinced vast cohorts of students to believe that the historical volatility of an asset’s price is its risk.

Regards,
[Name]

Spot on. How much can you afford to lose? That’s risk.

Risk and Volatility
Risk and Volatility

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Ep. 408: The Force Awakens with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

The Force Awakens with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio
The Force Awakens with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

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Please enjoy my monologue The Force Awakens with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio. This episode may also include great outside guests from my archive.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio:

“You can’t teach the beast, its either in you or it isn’t. you cant just go to the store and buy a six pack of beast.” – Kevin Garnett

“The reason the systematic investing community has gotten big is because it is successful. No one should miss that point.” – David Harding

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Ep. 407: Dave Huss Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Teespring
Teespring

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My guest today is Dave Huss. Dave discusses his transition from marketing consultant to entrepreneur. Formerly Dave did consulting work for paid advertising and now has transitioned into t-shirt design and sales (Michael notes that famed trader Salem Abraham had considered the t-shirt business before trading). He has been able to grow his business quickly due to a website called www.teespring.com. This website allows him to order shirts on-demand without any out of pocket expenses.

The topic is entrepreneur.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • Contract work vs. Entrepreneur
  • Niche markets
  • Online marketing
  • Importance of a system
  • Survivorship bias

“You have to stay in the game long enough to hit a few home runs and most people, whether that is in t-shirts or trading, they don’t make it.” – Dave Huss

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Seven-time Lottery Winner Shares Secret to Winning Powerball

Curious how to win the lottery? Seven time lottery winner, Richard Lustig, shares:

Saturday’s Powerball drawing is a staggering $320 million. With such an enormous sum at stake, who better to turn to then Richard Lustig — seven-time lottery grand prize winner and author of “Learn How To Increase Your Chances of Winning The Lottery” — for tips on how to win.

Lustig says he’s been playing the lottery for about 25 years. He claims to play every day, but in the first few years, he says he was not winning very much.

So Lustig decided to come up with a method, which he claims has helped him win seven grand prizes, including his last jackpot of $98,000 two-and-a-half years ago.

Lustig says a guaranteed way to increase your chances of winning the lottery is simply by picking your own numbers versus using the “quick-pick” ticket option.

“It doesn’t matter how you pick your numbers, once you pick your set of numbers, research them to know if it’s a good set of numbers and stick with them. There’s no magic method to picking your numbers, I get emails every day asking. One number doesn’t win the jackpot, a set of numbers does,” says Lustig.

“The lazy way out is to buy quick-picks. The computer picks out the numbers. Don’t play quick-picks. Quick-picks are the worst thing you can do, you are playing with the worst odds,” he says.

Lustig believes that what matters is whether the set of numbers people pick is a good one or not. To know this out however, one has to research the numbers in a method only taught in his book, which, as we found out, he guards very closely … unless you buy the book.

“The research is not that easy, it takes some time. Anything in life that’s worth having takes time,” says Lustig.

Another important part of playing the lottery, Lustig cautions, is setting a budget of how much you can afford on tickets.

“Don’t get lottery fever, don’t use your grocery money, or your rent money. Remember one thing, if there is one winner on Saturday night, there will be millions of losers, don’t be that person Sunday morning worrying about how you can pay back the money you spent,” says Lustig.

One secret Lustig will share is that he believes picking the same numbers regularly, even if you are losing, gives you more edge in the next drawing.

Lustig says he will absolutely be playing Saturday’s Powerball. But when asked what numbers he’ll be playing, he wouldn’t share.

“Not telling. Good try though,” said Lustig.

The analysis: 100% bullshit.

Note: Shout out to Steve Peterson for the find.


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Ep. 406: Larry Hite Views Outlined with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Larry Hite Views Outlined with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio
Larry Hite Views Outlined with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

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Please enjoy my monologue Larry Hite Views Outlined with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio. This episode may also include great outside guests from my archive.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio:

  • Respecting leverage
  • Thinking in terms of odds
  • Being wrong is OK
  • Getting the odds on your side
  • Risk management
  • Life is a series of bets

“You don’t trade markets, you trade money.” – Michael Covel

“The first part of the winning process is evaluating who you are and what you’re comfortable doing.” – Larry Hite

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Ep. 405: Didier Sornette Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Didier Sornette
Didier Sornette

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My guest today is Didier Sornette, the Professor on the Chair of Entrepreneurial Risks at Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich. He is also a professor of the Swiss Finance Institute, associated with both the department of Physics and the department of Earth Sciences at ETH Zurich. He has worked on the King effect, a theory used to predict economic bubbles. Didier also set up the Financial Crisis Observatory in October of 2008. He brings an interesting perspective to financial crisis’s, and bubbles.

The topic is market bubbles.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • The adaptive market hypothesis
  • Dragon Kings vs. Black Swans
  • New economy syndrome
  • Predictive markets
  • Finite singularity
  • Equilibrium of the world

“When herding behaviour among investors ramps up, a stock’s or index’s growth rate can increase faster than exponentially, leading to more herding. This positive feedback brings the system to a tipping point. About two-thirds of the time, a crash results.” – Didier Sornette

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Ep. 404: Napoleon Hill Retrospective Episode with Michael Covel

Napoleon Hill Retrospective Episode with Michael Covel
Napoleon Hill Retrospective Episode with Michael Covel

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In this episode of Trend Following Radio:

  • Conditioning your unconscious mind
  • Setting goals
  • Laws of nature
  • Vibrations of thought
  • Using your greatest asset
  • Individual power

“Put your foot upon the neck of fear of criticism by reaching a decision not to worry about what other people think, do or say.” – Napoleon Hill

“Weak desire brings weak results, just as a small fire brings a small amount of heat.” –Napoleon Hill

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