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If You Want to Connect with Anyone … You Already Know How

A reader writes:

Are any of the big guys in trend following: Marcus, Ed, Kovner etc., open to an email or call? We are starting to market the new fund and getting very good reception. Goldman is our prime broker and they are introducing us … I just want bend someone’s ear who is a senior guy, show/send him the presentation etc. Any thoughts?

My general answer: If you want to talk to someone you will. If you don’t you won’t. Very Seykota-esque response. And my answer is exactly how my career has run. I don’t have another answer that would fit with generally accepted methods, etc.

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The White Rabbit put on his spectacles. “Where shall I begin, please your Majesty?” he asked. “Begin at the beginning,” the King said gravely, “and go on till you come to the end: then stop.”


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Ep. 37: Ryan Holiday Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Ryan Holiday
Ryan Holiday

Ryan Holiday is on the podcast:

My guest today is Ryan Holiday, the director of marketing for American Apparel, media strategist for Tucker Max, Dov Charney, and others, and an author.

The topic is his book Trust Me, I’m Lying: Confessions of a Media Manipulator.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • The media food chain
  • What goes into media manipulation
  • The lie of “if you’re doing something great, it will be heard”
  • Gatekeepers in the media
  • How blogs are our digital bloodsport
  • Why being inaccurate and inflammatory gets more page views
  • How we don’t seek honesty or reality

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I Never Promise Secrets: Trend Following is Hard Work

Pauline Skypala writes in FT.com “Secrets of winning systems remain hidden”:

Homespun investment wisdom does not come much cheesier than the Whipsaw Song, available on YouTube. Sung to a bluegrass tune, it imparts the trading philosophy of Ed Seykota, who is regularly described as a legendary trend-following trader. His advice is simple: ride your winners, cut your losses, manage your risk, use stops, stick to the system, file (ie, ignore) the news.

The same list could also be used to summarise the lessons Michael Covel seeks to teach in The Little Book of Trading: Trend Following Strategy for Big Winnings (John Wiley & Sons, 2011). But there is a caveat; it is not as easy as it might sound. In fact, the main insight Mr. Covel provides is that successful trading is hard won, and requires an entrepreneurial mindset, a fascination with numbers and charts, and discipline. A helping hand from a mentor such as Mr Seykota does not go amiss either.

Mr. Covel’s profiles of big name trend followers are more likely to persuade readers to hand over their money to these people than to attempt to emulate them. Retail investors “tend to blow up”, he says, because they lack the discipline to “stick with their system”. The most common mistake is a failure to cut losses–to let emotion interfere.

Clearly, traders need to believe in whatever system they devise so they can trust it sufficiently to leave it alone. Mr. Covel does not give anything away about the workings of the systems of the successful traders he writes about, such as Larry Hite, David Harding and Michael Clarke. He does not “reveal the secrets of trend following insiders” as is promised on the cover blurb.

Such information would doubtless be worth far more than the price of the book, but some of the reviewers on Amazon obviously felt short-changed by the lack of any discussion of trading strategies.

The book merely contains advice such as this: “Certain types of systems do perform better than others, and selecting certain clusters of variables within a system will affect system performance.” Then repetition of the point already made, that once established, a system must be followed religiously. Further, a system must work across all futures markets, over many types of market conditions and over many timeframes.

Such a system could take some time to perfect, but Mr. Covel reassures readers that they can operate it out of their bedroom. There is no need for a big office and an army of PhDs (unless you want to do very short term trading or “sophisticated PhD stuff”, which he does not define).

He advises that market selection is a crucial element in success. Any system would have made money in cotton, but none would have done so in cocoa, for example. “There’s a pervasive mindset that every market should be weighted equally. That’s not true,” he writes in the chapter on David Druz, who apparently learned this from Mr Seykota.

However, in a later chapter, Mr. Covel says one of the key realisations was “that risk management centered on trading markets equally, from a risk perspective, was mission critical. You just can’t favour one market over another.”

The first point is about portfolio selection, the second about risk management, so they are not as contradictory as they first appear. Presumably they are both factors that need to be built into a system.

But the rambling and repetitive nature of the book is unhelpful in tying such points together.

Mr. Covel is an evangelist for the trend following style of investment. He decries traditional investment approaches that rely on fundamental analysis, and says buy and hold investing via mutual funds will never make anyone rich. Selling trend-following courses is his business, so this is no surprise.

The apparent ability of trend following commodity trading advisers to make money when all others are losing it, as in 2008, has made investors sit up and take notice of this corner of the investment world. Mr. Covel’s book is timely in that respect.

But the idea that anyone with some skill in maths and computer programming can achieve similar results is fanciful. They may get lucky, but are more likely to get wiped out.

My first thought is courtesy of Seth Godin:

Stand out or fit in. Not all the time, and never at the same time, but it’s always a choice. Those that choose to fit in should expect to avoid criticism (and be ignored). Those that stand out should expect neither.

Thanks for paying attention. Now a dialogue can unfurl. You can find a little snippet of a response on today’s podcast too (first few minutes).

Note: I never promise secrets in my books, film or training. Trend following for those not yet familiar with it is all about gaining knowledge you might not have yet. Perhaps, that can be characterized as secrets by some, but it really comes down to hard work–why people pay me.

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“Covel, Why Are You Not on CNBC All of the Time?”

Seth Godin writes:

Media volatility makes more people and more ideas famous for ever shorter periods of time. What the fine art market shows us, though, is that real value isn’t created by this volatile fame. Consistently showing up on the radar of the right audience is more highly prized than reaching the masses, once then done. This works for every career, even if you’ve never touched a brush.

My work, my creativity, my thought–is driven around reaching the right people–not necessarily the masses.

Think about what drives the masses.

But: “Covel, Why Are You Not on CNBC All of the Time?”

Answer.


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Ep. 1: Mike Dever Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Michael Dever
Michael Dever

My guest today is Mike Dever, an American businessman, futures trader, entrepreneur, and author. Dever is the founder and CEO of Brandywine Asset Management, Inc., an investment management firm founded in 1982.

The topic is Trend Following.

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Michael Gibbons: There Is Only the Current Trend and What Is

Feedback in from Michael Gibbons of Gibbons Trading:

As with most things in trading, the least accepted methods are also the most efficacious. One of the least accepted trading methods by both academia and the financial media is the concept of trend following. In it’s most elementary form, trend following is about being long when markets are rising and being short when they are declining. There are no forecasts or shoulds. There is only the current trend and what is.

One of the most effective journalists to popularize trend following is author Michael Covel. He almost single-handedly has raised the consciousness of investors around the world to the effectiveness of trend following. He has brought many of the world’s greatest trend followers to light, and I cannot thank him enough for that.

If trend following was widely accepted, there would be no need for about 95% of the people employed in the securities industry. Needless to say, this fact alone is one of the main causal reasons that trend following is out of the mainstream. Most simply ignore it’s incomparable track record in both rising and declining markets.

Michael Covel has provided the research and the data to a mass audience to show what we trend followers are all about. I cannot express properly how grateful I am for Michael’s efforts. His impeccable journalism is rare in any context, but especially in the field of trading and investments. As a result of his work, the great achievements of trend followers can no longer be ignored nor viewed as just an anomaly.

Michael R Gibbons
Managing Partner
Gibbons’ Trading LLC

Thanks Michael.


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Richard Dennis Trading Misrepresentation

From a reader:

Michael, I am interested in learning about trend trading and read a lot of amazing things about the turtles. However, I tried to find something online about Richard and his staggering losses during the late 80’s and 90’s. Maybe I am missing something here, but is there a reason that his system was not working after a certain period? Is there an article or resource you could point me to? Thank you.

Your premise/predicate is off. You got it correct that Dennis had losses, but you need to see the whole picture. The full story of these issues is here.

Lesson? The Internet is a limited source of knowledge. Find out more about Richard Dennis books here.


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