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Ep. 204: Russell Napier Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Russell Napier
Russell Napier

My guest today is Russell Napier, a consultant with CLSA, who Covel had the good fortune to speak for in 2013 in several cities across Asia. Napier is a global macro-strategist. He definitely comes at it from a different trading perspective than trend following.

The topic is his book Anatomy of the Bear: Lessons from Wall Street’s Four Great Bottoms.

  • Why the average person will never see an interest for their savings again in their lifetime
  • How the choice of equities is made for many
  • How we’re not really in a free-market capitalistic world
  • Why Napier thinks we’re on the eve of a major deflationary period
  • How the equity bull market causes people to simply not think (or question).

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Ep. 203: Bobby Casey Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

My guest today is Bobby Casey, a consultant on international tax planning, investment immigration, and global citizenship. He has personally lived this lifestyle for over a decade, and now works with seven- and eight-figure entrepreneurs and investors who want to “go where they’re treated best”.

The topics are entrepreneurship and travel.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • How Casey found his way to Latvia
  • Travel in general
  • Some of the issues you may encounter during travel
  • Lithuania
  • Holding dual citizenship
  • The advantages of having a passport from another country

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Speculation: The Root of All Evil?

Is speculation the root of all evil? Consider this excerpt from my third book, Trend Commandments:

The film director Oliver Stone believes that speculation is evil. That’s interesting. He has written some fantastic scripts. He has directed Oscar-winning films. Nevertheless, to say that speculation is “the mother of all evil” is disingenuous. When Stone sets forward to make a new film, he’s speculating that you will spend your money and watch his film. There is nothing wrong with that. That’s life. That’s a good thing.

Speculation in markets is essential too. Think about what drives a market. It is millions of people speculating to make money. One of the most successful trend following traders knows deep down how important speculation is to finding opportunity:

“Speculari, the Latin root of the verb “to speculate” has the literal meaning to observe. To be successful this observation must, of necessity, be detached and unemotive and thus where great social and moral issues are at stake, it is perhaps not surprising that distrust and hostility among the general population can arise particularly when the speculator profits at a time of general discontent. Yet this detached observation is clearly in the spirit of the natural scientist and the act of speculating for money is in the spirit of the empirical scientist’s restless yearning to add to empirical knowledge and put theories to the test.”

Regardless of whether you win or lose, you are speculating—trying to get ahead. Every time you get into a car, you are speculating. If you go to the Apple store to buy an iPhone you are speculating the phone is more valuable than your dollars. Additionally, you are speculating the iPhone will work. When you turn on a show you are speculating that it is worth more than something else. All of these activities don’t always work out, and that is the nature of speculation. All speculators are not winners.

So why is it bad to take advantage of an opportunity that you recognize? It’s not.

Speculate this: Do you consider yourself an investor or a trader? Investors put their money into investments hoping value will increase over time. Typically, they have no plan if it goes down. They usually hold on, praying value will reverse and go back up. Investors typically succeed in bull markets and lose in bear markets. They usually have no coherent response when the losing starts. They often hang tight and continue to lose even more.

Traders are different. They have a defined strategy to put money to work for a single goal: profit. Wise trend traders do not care what they buy or sell as long as they end up with more money in the long run. Bottom line, winning traders don’t invest, they trade. It is a massive distinction. Consider timeless qualities essential to speculation:

    1. Self-reliance: A man must think for himself and must follow his own convictions. Self-trust is the foundation of successful effort.
    2. Judgment: That equipoise, that nice adjustment of the faculties of one to the other, which is called good judgment—essential to the speculator.
    3. Courage: That is, confidence to act on the decisions of the mind. In speculation, there is value in the dictum: Be bold, still be bold; always be bold.
    4. Prudence: The power of measuring the danger, together with a certain alertness and watchfulness, is very important. There should be a balance of prudence and courage; prudence in contemplation, courage in execution.
    5. Pliability: The ability to change an opinion, the power of revision. He who observes and observes again is always formidable.

I don’t care whether you ever trade, but those precepts should be the first life lessons taught to grade school kids.

Live it. I like that Covel. Wise excerpt.


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Astrology, Emirs & Trading Success

An interesting conversation I recently had with an experienced pro:

Covel: So tell me an interesting story about astrology and emirs!

[Name]: JP Morgan once said “Millionaires don’t use astrology to trade, but billionaires do.” When I was at [name] in the 90s one of the coolest things I did was to write a program which calculated the daily positions in the sky, in three different coordinate systems, of all the solar system objects for the entire 20th century at the behest of a client. That client put me in touch with a fellow who worked for ADIA as a trader whose entire methodology centered around using astrology to time stocks.

Covel: And your view of these strategies?

[Name]: Whatever works. Hey, it worked for him. He was well employed and compensated. He hated living over there, but the pay was too good to quit. I don’t have any empirical basis to judge how well his application of the strategies performed so I don’t have the right to an opinion about how well they worked. I do know that another guy who approached e-markets with astronomical tools, [name], has consistently ranked high in newsletter ranking services that measure the effectiveness of calls.

Covel: Hmmm….


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Trend Following In France

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Have a happy new year Michael. As a french trend follower I really like your information. Audio and video. With my best regards.

Welcome. I need to go back to Paris soon. Lovely city.


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Trade Your Way to Freedom

A recent interchange:

Drew West: I love your podcast. What days do you regularly have it loaded?

Covel: No set schedule yet — maybe I need to fix that!

Drew West: How does a finance grad get a legit job in finance. Do I build a personal website and SEO it? I’ve listened to every podcast from day one and some multiple times, love the recent Tom Demark one…

Covel: I would first ask what you consider a legit finance job? Does job mean you work for someone?

Drew West: Almost anything as long as I’m not selling life insurance and bogus annuities driving around all day.

Covel: I would work more at getting more specific. Right now I have no clue what you know or what you want to do.

Drew West: I love trading.

Covel: Why are you not trading?

Drew West: Poor student loans. If I knew what I know now, I might not of went to college.

Covel: Make cash. Start trading. The way you make cash first might not be in finance nor does it have to be.

Drew West: I’m connected to Ned Davis on LI and tried meeting with him but I’ve learned he sold out like everyone else I know.

Covel: Who cares about anyone else. You have cash, you can trade. Get cash.

Drew West: Well I’ve tried quibids – but I’ve learned it would take tremendous capital to make profitable.

Covel: Never heard of that. Go standards: stocks, futures and options. That’s what to trade.

Drew West: Oh its just an auction site – alternative trading.

Covel: No gimmicks. Unless that is how you make the cash to go to real markets.

Drew West: Well I’ll take that into consideration… Save cash… Thx, do you prefer Michael or Mr. Covel?

Covel: Mike fine. Read “Linchpin” By Seth Godin.

Drew West: I did. I love Godin.

Covel: Don’t chase finance jobs.

Drew West: Ok I’m going to do pharma sales. I have medical experience and seems best option without doubt hopefully. Actually you don’t like hope, so I’m working towards doing that.

Covel: Make the cash. Then you have time and choices otherwise known as freedom.

Drew West: Cool thanks. Talk another time. Stay warm if you’re in that Virginia area, let me know if you come down to Florida. Ya freedom! Agreed.


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Podcast Love

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Hello Michael, your podcast series is excellent. I found it just before Christmas and listened to 25+ interviews by now… I can apply them often not only to trading but to my day job too. Please keep publishing you podcast! Happy new Year! Jan Urbahn

Thanks. They are fun to do. Glad you enjoy.


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