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Ep. 250: Hersh Shefrin and Arvid Hoffmann Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Hersh Shefrin and Arvid Hoffmann
Hersh Shefrin and Arvid Hoffmann

My guests today are Hersh Shefrin and Arvid Hoffmann.

Hersh Shefrin has done pioneering work in behavioral finance and is the author of Beyond Greed and Fear.

Hoffmann is a colleague of Shefrin. He is a Professor of Finance at Maastricht University in the Netherlands.

The topic is their paper, Technical Analysis and Individual Investors.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • Covel and Shefrin discuss how Shefrin came to know that behavioral finance was his path; the two-system framework; the connection to behavioral and eating disorders; the disposition effect; when emotion and reason are in conflict; “transferring your assets” vs. “selling a loss”; distinguishing between rules and discretion; how we stick with rules for ourselves given the context of our humanity; the psychological pitfalls of the 2008 financial crisis; the inevitability of market crises; Minsky and Keynes; the psychology of Keynesian economics; and human ideas surrounding uncertainty.
  • With Arvid Hoffmann, Covel discusses the paper Technical Analysis and Individual Investors; the inspiration for the paper; Hoffmann’s definition of technical analysis; the narrow focus of the paper to short-term trading; technical analysis and trend following; “invest as if the market was efficient”, and “restrict your attempts to beat the market”

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Joe Kernen Doesn’t Like Being Questioned

This video with Joe Kernen and David Harding on CNBC led to Kernen getting a little testy on Twitter with me. An excerpt from Kernen and I:

Kernen: Oh yeah. [Harding] Great for an interview. Absolutely no predictions or forecasts about what might happen in the future.

Covel: So the interviewee blows if he can’t forecast tomorrow?

Covel: Why have a trader on who does not predict and then ask for a prediction?

Kernen: Why wrestle with pigs when all you get is dirty. Toodles.

Why so curt with me? I did rip him earlier here.


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Ep. 248: Mark Miller Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Mark Miller
Mark Miller

My guest today is Mark Miller, an American computer scientist. He is known for his work as one of the participants in the 1979 hypertext project known as Project Xanadu; for inventing Miller columns; and the open-source coordinator of the E programming language. He also designed the Caja compiler. Miller is a Senior Research Fellow at the Foresight Institute.

The topic is computer science.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • Property rights
  • Hernando de Soto
  • Bitcoin and digital trust
  • “Smart contracts”
  • Why a contract is like a board game
  • Game theory
  • 3rd World infrastructure
  • How program code can become a contract
  • A closer look at “possession is nine-tenths of the law”
  • Whether the Turing Test was just passed
  • Defining the term “singularity”, and the multiple singularities of the past
  • A.I. and nanotechnology
  • How Miller’s work relates to markets
  • The history of hypertext

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Ep. 247: Van Tharp Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Van Tharp
Van Tharp

My guest today is Van Tharp, Tharp runs the Van Tharp Institute and is the author of four acclaimed books published by McGraw Hill: Super Trader, Trade Your Way to Financial Freedom, Safe Strategies for Financial Freedom, and Financial Freedom Through Electronic Day Trading. He was also featured in Jack Schwager’s Market Wizard’s: Interviews with Great Traders. Van Tharp received his Ph.D. in psychology, is a certified Master Practitioner of Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP), a Certified Master Time Line Therapist, a certified Modeler of NLP, and an Assistant Trainer of NLP. He has used his expertise in NLP to create the successful models of trading and investing upon which so much of his work is based.

The topic is his book Trading Beyond the Matrix: The Red Pill for Traders and Investors.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • Beliefs in the context of trading and investing
  • The moment of now, and the Navajo’s belief of a never-ending present
  • The belief examination paradigm
  • “Big money” and what it means to Van Tharp
  • The idea of “trader jail”
  • Fear of the unknown
  • The importance of sleep
  • The difference between spirituality and religion

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Ep. 246: David Ryan Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

David Ryan
David Ryan

My guest today is David Ryan. Ryan was famously first featured in Jack Schwager’s “Market Wizards” book. Ryan has been the U.S. Investing Champion for 3 times and also worked for William O’Neil. 

The topic is market wizards strategies.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • How Ryan got his start walking up to the front door of O’Neil’s offices
  • How Ryan would describe his approach to trading today
  • CAN SLIM trading, and buying the breakout vs. buying the dip
  • Enjoying trading without clients
  • Some good CAN SLIM winners in the past two to three years from Ryan’s perspective
  • Big picture-wise, the max loss that Ryan is willing to take on a position
  • The type of winning percentages that Ryan really sees
  • The uneasiness about the overall market system since the 2008 financial crisis and how Ryan looks at how the situation has unfolded
  • High frequency trading
  • How the market can be humbling; and getting your ego out of the market

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Ep. 245: Jerry Parker Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Jerry Parker
Jerry Parker

My guest today is Jerry Parker, an original Turtle, trained by Richard Dennis. However, since then he has very successfully run a managed money firm called Chesapeake Capital.

The topic is Trend Following.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • Mean reversion trading
  • What the definition of momentum trading is compared to trend following
  • Why “good enough” is more rigorous than any metric
  • How the intervention of the Fed has broken up trends and made volatility drop in markets
  • How the idea of uncertainty and talking in probabilities makes people uncomfortable
  • The difference between managed futures and trend following
  • Why buy and hold is predicated on trust of the Fed
  • Why trend followers don’t look to “beat” the market

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Ep. 244: Walter Williams Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Walter Williams
Walter Williams

My guest today is Walter Williams, an American economist, commentator, and academic. He is the John M. Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics at George Mason University, as well as a syndicated columnist and author known for his libertarian views.

The topics are liberty and economics.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • Why Williams calls himself a radical
  • The morality of markets
  • The welfare state and bailouts
  • How Williams didn’t “think poor” growing up
  • The nefarious aspect of minimum wage
  • How Williams stayed positive and avoided bitterness despite opposition
  • Malcolm X. and Martin Luther King, Jr.
  • Why there’s no poverty in the United States
  • How Williams felt about the Fall of 2008 and the bailouts that took place
  • How we got to the point where people want to trust the state so much
  • How Williams has developed a thick skin to deal with the criticism of his radical nature

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“How does something immoral, when done privately, become moral when it is done collectively? Furthermore, does legality establish morality? Slavery was legal; apartheid is legal; Stalinist, Nazi, and Maoist purges were legal. Clearly, the fact of legality does not justify these crimes. Legality, alone, cannot be the talisman of moral people.”