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Ep. 465: Sunrise Capital with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Sunrise Capital with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio
Sunrise Capital with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

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Please enjoy my monologue Sunrise Capital with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio. This episode may also include great outside guests from my archive.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio:

  • Brexit and systematic trading
  • Price distribution
  • Price action
  • Directional betting on a coin flip event
  • Preparing for black swan events
  • Are computers good or bad?
  • MAR ratio
  • Diversification

“Systems control the trading ideas. What they do is they give you a statistical edge in creating your trading ideas.” – Chris Stanton

“It’s a bad idea to get the insurance after the catastrophe.” – Jason Gerlach

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Trend Following Is Not Day Trading

If your desk looks like this you are in trouble.
If your desk looks like this you are in trouble.

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Hi Michael,

This is [Name] from Malaysia. I am inspired by your book series, Trend Following, TurtleTrader, The Little Book of Trading and Trend Commandments. For the past two months I have been doing paper trading using the turtle trading system I learned from your book and the results were promising.

Last night I listened to your podcast episode 458 on continuous improvement. In the speech you mentioned if one is using trend following in day trading, go away! I was shocked to hear that. For the past two months, I am using the 15 min and 30 min charts on most of my commodities and futures trading. The reason is if I use the daily chart to trade, the N value (ATR) is too big and my capital is very limited, plus the difference in currency exchange between USD and MYR.

Moreover, in the same podcast you mentioned it is gambling staring at the computer screen whole day–which is what I might result in doing if I use the 15 min or 30 min chart. And trend followers don’t do that?

With regards,
[Name]
Malaysia

Not a new message from me about day trading. I say across my books. I say here.

You can’t effectively trade a 6 month move as a day trader, for example. You can find more here:

trendfollowing.com/resources

trendfollowing.com/capital

trendfollowing.com/products

Limited capital? It will probably be even more limited soon enough with more day trading!


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Ep. 460: Billionaire Words with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Billionaire Words with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio
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Please enjoy my monologue Billionaire Words with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio. This episode may also include great outside guests from my archive.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio:

  • Fundamental analysis
  • Bubbles
  • Zero Interest Rate Policy
  • Fed
  • Crony capitalism
  • Quantitative easing

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The two things that go hand in hand are reward and risk.

Nice from Josh Hawes:

The two things that go hand in hand are reward and risk.

Yes simple, I know, but for some reason in all my travels and conversations it is often lost on investors.

Its natural for most people to concentrate on just the reward side in terms of return when it comes to investing, but you cannot think about reward without thinking about the cost.

For example what is more desirable, a 20% return with a 50% drawdown, or a 10% return with a 10% drawdown?

Sadly its not just the hunt for return that suffers from this one sided thinking but also when it comes to comparisons of performance.

Once again, most people if a person underperforms point out that they could’ve made 10% a year by parking their assets in an index.

To that we say all well and good, but are you willing to accept a 50% drawdown for that return?

You see you just cant think about reward without thinking about risk in any scenario.

For us we use a simple measure of gain to pain, the MAR ratio.

This ratio simply looks at your compound annual growth rate and divides it by your maximum drawdown.

It is a great tool in measuring “performance” both internally and externally.

To put it another way, I like to ask people this question, “How much did you pay for that drawdown?”

Sadly for most people when they see a manager that gets a 15% return and another that gets 11% they instinctively want to go with the manager that gets the higher return, even when they see that his drawdown is substantially larger than the other managers!

The manager with a 15% return might have exceptional skills at finding long only stocks that outperform but due to high correlation and market risk he still has 50% drawdown giving him a MAR of .3.

Compare that to the manager who gets an 11% return and only has a 20% drawdown with a MAR of .55, the less obvious choice is the better one!

Wise.


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Ep. 458: Continuous Improvement with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Continuous Improvement with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio
Continuous Improvement with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

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Please enjoy my monologue Continuous Improvement with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio. This episode may also include great outside guests from my archive.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio:

  • Systematic trading
  • Fundamental trading
  • Gambling
  • Trend following biases
  • Day trading
  • Predictive technical analysis
  • What is the best strategy?

“Is trend following right for everyone? Only you can know that answer.” – Michael Covel

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Ep 456: Josh Hawes Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Josh Hawes
Josh Hawes

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My guest today is Josh Hawes, the Risk Officer and Investment Manager of Hawking Alpha. He is a trend following trader now who started off at Goldman Sachs. Josh breaks apart the trading industry, highlighting many of the cons associated with the mutual fund space. Josh has always had a passion for math. He started looking at the performance of different funds within Goldman. As soon as he started to look at returns of some, he began to see a disconnect. They would judge themselves off “beating the index” but they were still losing massive amounts of money. They would also have access to CEO’s of top companies and still not be able to make money off of the information they would share. This is when he began to transition out of the company and turn to other forms of trading, not just long only.

The topic is Trend Following.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio:

  • Trading off fundamentals
  • Keeping up with the Jones’s
  • Smooth equity curve’s
  • Concept of an Index
  • Mutual fund industry
  • 10,000 hours
  • Arbitrage
  • High frequency trading

“Every trading system starts with an idea. The idea is a concept that describes some aspect of the way a particular market or all markets work.” – Hawking Alpha

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Trend-following hedge fund strategies lead performance in 2016

From FT.com:

“If you believe we are going to have a bear market, CTAs [aka trend following] will have a chance to make money in that environment, and in the meanwhile they offer non-correlated returns.”

And:

Such “systematic” funds [aka trend following], which surf trends using financial models and algorithms, do well whenever there is a clear direction for markets. Down markets are as good as uptrends, so long as they are clear, and in January and most of February, financial uncertainty proved profitable.

And:

Ewan Kirk, chief investment officer for Cantab Capital, said “while there is no such thing as a ‘typical’ systematic manager, many managers in our space have been short energies and long bonds since the beginning of the year”.

Full article. Making money in a Black Swan Market.

Leda Braga
Leda Braga’s Systematica, which oversees $10.2bn, returned 9.9 per cent through the end of February, fuelled by bets on fixed income and against energy and equities.

How can you move forward immediately to Trend Following profits? My books and my Flagship Course and Systems are trusted options by clients in 70+ countries.

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Performance
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About Us

Trend Following is for beginners, students and pros in all countries. This is not day trading 5-minute bars, prediction or analyzing fundamentals–it’s Trend Following.