Category: Trend Following

A few months back I announced my new upcoming book on the Turtles. The book is in the publishing edit process, but it was a conversation I had today that prompted me to write this unusual post.

What happened? I spoke with a trend following trader today. Due to a non-typical career path, he has had a very quiet and successful career over the last twenty years. How successful? He has earned himself a fortune close to $100 million dollars. Frankly, I felt stupid to not have heard of him! In conversation, he suddenly offered a Turtle connection. While he had no association with Dennis or the Turtles in developing his trend trading method (Donchian influences), he did receive advice from a Turtle early in his career about how to setup his trading firm (dealing with legal, etc.). It was the kind of nugget that just continues to make the Turtle story, with all of its tentacles, such a small world story. I KNOW this trader is not the only one with interesting experiences with Turtles over the years.

What does this mean for readers of my blog? Well, the randomness of today’s conversation got me to thinking that I should be asking EVERYONE if they might have a FIRST HAND anecdote or story about the Turtles in some way or another that would be interesting. I am interested in your small bits to big stories. If you do have one, contact me ASAP. There is no guarantee that your story will make it into my Turtle book, but if it is good, now is the time to contact me. DEADLINE? Now.

Michael Gibbons of Gibbons’ Trading LLC provides good insight on “trend”:

“The reality is, most hedge funds make money on the long side of the market. That is, to get and maintain their clientele, they must focus on long only trades. To attract clients, they generally must claim they are fundamentalists, as technical analysis (specifically market timing) is out of favor at the moment. Now trading the long side of the market based on fundamentals (whatever they are), is still premised on the existence of a trend. That is, since the trend is the basis of all profit, the market has to be moving in your direction to make a profit. If you buy at A and sell at B, and the trade was profitable, the market went up-or trended (at least for as long as you were in the trade). Very few people can correctly define trend; I will do that here: it is something that repeats. So funds that trade the long side of the market, still require the existence of a trend to make a profit. Therefore, all those that would deny that they are trend followers are in fact, trend followers. They may not be consciously aware of it, but metaphysically, they are relying on the presence of trends to make money. Their methodologies may not be trend following algorithms, but nonetheless, they are in bed with true trend followers-even if they are not aware of it. The directional movement of a market determines dollar profit. If the S&P 500 goes from 1000 to 1500 and we are long, we make 500 points of profit less fees. The move from 1000 to 1500 was something that repeated-the S&P kept going up. The directional movement was up caused by the presence of a trend. Therefore, any attempt to deny that the trend is the basis of all profit, is a logical contradiction. True trend followers eliminate the rationalizations-they just admit they need trending markets to make money, and act accordingly.”

A good piece of insight recently shared with me from an old pro with 30 years trading experience:

“I guess most readers are familiar on some level with the sport of hunting. I am sometimes amused by the new outdoor channels portrayal of the sport of hunting. Jackie Bushman has a nationally syndicated show from Alabama that weekly portrays the harvesting of trophy bucks. A buck is a male deer for you who are somewhat challenged in the sport of hunting. Almost every week a trophy animal is harvested on the Bushman show. To the novice deer hunting appears to be simple and effortless. Of course what the cameras and most certainly the promoters never reveal is the countless hours of scouting for trophy deer that go into the eventual production of the show. So what’s my point and how does all this relate to trading. Sometimes in trading there just aren’t many trophies to be found – a trophy in the sense being a trending market. These times separate the great traders from the not so great traders. Over my 30 plus year career I have witnessed numerous “times like these”. The good news is that they don’t last forever and my bet is things are about to change. Trend followers have had a pretty tough time lately but tough times don’t last but tough people do. The next question I often receive is “where is the next great trading opportunity?” Not to be a wise ass but if I really knew that I probably would not be sending this to you today. Well I might because this is fun for me and I hope educational for you. I enjoy teaching almost as much as trading. Trust me on this there are some very big trades coming and with hard work and patience you can catch them just like a real trophy deer hunter does.”

Don’t take his last sentence as a prediction, it’s not. He is simply pointing out the reality of trends.

The history of British trend following (PDF).

More on David Harding and Martin Lueck.

Barbara Dixon, a student of famed trend follower Richard Donchian, wrote twenty years ago in Commodities magazine:

Donchian is one of the most respected technicians on Wall Street – especially in commodities. He began his career on 1930 and says he became hooked on markets when read Edwin LeFevre’s fictionalized biography of Jesse Livermore, Reminiscences of a Stock Operator. His interest in technical analysis arose after he suffered some losses following the 1929 crash. This led to his discovery that only the chartists made sense and money. Donchian wrote his first market letter in 1930 at the age of 25, and Shearson’s present ‘Trend Timing’ commodity letter originated in 1960 when Donchian joined Hayden Stone. These letters have served as primers for countless commodity traders. The ‘Twenty Trading Guides’ make a fine supplement to the letters and will probably survive and prove valid for the next 44 years as well.

General Guides

1. Beware of acting immediately on widespread public opinion. Even if correct, if will usually delay the move.
2. From a period of dullness and inactivity, watch for and prepare to follow a move in the direction in which volume increases.
3. LIMIT LOSSES, ride profits – irrespective of all other rules.
4. Light commitments are advisable when a market position is not certain. Clearly defined moves are signaled frequently enough to make life interesting, and concentration on these moves to the virtual exclusion of others will prevent unprofitable ‘whipsawing.’
5. Seldom take a position in the direction of an immediately preceding three-day move. Wait for one-day reversal.
6. Judicious use of stop orders is valuable aid to profitable trading. Stops may be used to protect profits, to limit losses and to take positions from certain formations such as triangular foci. Stop orders are apt to be more valuable and less treacherous if used in proper relation to the chart formation.
7. In a market in which upswings are likely to equal or exceed downswings, a heavier position should be taken for the upswings for percentage reasons – a decline from 50 to 25 will net only 50% profit, whereas an advance from 25 to 50 will net 100%.
8. In taking a position, price orders are allowable. In closing a position, use ‘market’ orders.
9. Buy strong acting, strong background commodities and sell weak ones, subject to all other rules.
10. Moves in which rails (now the Transportation Index) lead or participate strongly are usually worth following more than moves in which rails lag.
11. A study of the capitalization of a company, the degree of activity of an issue (a varying factor), and whether an issue is a lethargic truck horse like Consolidated Edison or Exxon or a spirited, volatile race horse like Teledyne (NYSE) or Resorts International (American) is fully as important as a study of statistical reports. (Volatile stocks are 1978 counterparts of two issues mentioned in 1934, Aluminum Co. of America, then on the Curb, and Case Threshing Machine, now J.I. Case, a part of Tenneco.)

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Feedback from a reader in Malaysia:

Hi Michael, First of all I would like to say THANK YOU for writing what must (or should) be the most important finance theory book of recent times. It was an absolute revelation, an eye-opening, out-of-this-world experience…well for me, at least. I work as a fund manager in the largest financial institution, here in Malaysia and it is not easy to put forward this Trend Following concept which seems so alien to the traditional fund managers in Malaysia. As you have rightly mentioned…some people do it to become smart or to show-off their intelligence and capability to analyze hundreds of accounts, economic data and financial data, whereas the enlightened ones..simply do it for money. I have never believed in fundamentals from the very beginning of my training and have been labeled as a loose-cannon cowboy fund manager amongst my peers for my refusal to accept any of the fundamental/traditional economic theories. Your book has given me the enlightenment that I so need and to know that there is such a simple concept/theory as following something as simple and real such as price is absolutely godsend! You wont believe how thrilled and ecstatic I was after reading the book that my wife bought for my birthday. She must have gotten ear bleed from listening to my babblings about Trend Following! I started my training in technical analysis, which after awhile I found to be useless as well because there is no way anybody can predict anything and I have become a complete convert after reading your book. But I would greatly appreciate if you could provide some insights and advice on how to use the system in a long equity (only!) market? I have developed an Excel based system to backtest my parameters and the result is astounding. Using crossings of simple moving averages, the return from the sample data of Top 60 stock (in terms of market cap) in the Kuala Lumpur Composite Index was an unbelievable 1800% for the past 10 years from 1996-2005. Can this be right? Am I doing something wrong or is the system THAT good? Perhaps I need to get the Wealth Lab software for a more reliable backtesting system and get more detailed results and analysis of the system? I would also appreciate if you could advice on how I can argue the concept of following price against fundamentals, as I am continuously being shot down by my superiors and the Chief Investment Officer who seems adamant that there is no other way except the fundamental way! Our daily morning meetings are flooded with discussions on what Bernanke meant, where the US interest rate is going, the Malaysian GDP, the US dollar vs. ringgit, inflation level and the topic of the year, OIL PRICE! And my supremely intelligent research team constantly tries to find non-existent correlations between everything and anything and how it will affect our local stock market! I’m beginning to feel very frustrated that nobody seems to be able to accept that none of that works and the only thing we can use is PRICE! XXX Portfolio Manager – Equities

Wealth-Lab is definitely a step in right direction.

In terms of arguments about trend following v. fundamental analysis, my book, blog and podcasts should give plenty of ammunition!

Mark J. Walsh was not a Turtle, but Mark was close enough to the Turtle experiment and Richard Dennis early in his career to learn the ins and outs. Now 20 years later, Mark still a relatively young man, has put together an impressive track record (PDF) as a trend following trader.

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How can you move forward immediately to Trend Following profits? My books and my Flagship Course and Systems are trusted options by clients in 70+ countries.

Also jump in:

• Trend Following Podcast Guests
• Frequently Asked Questions
• Performance
• Research
• Markets to Trade
• Crisis Times
• Trading Technology
• About Us

Trend Following is for beginners, students and pros in all countries. This is not day trading 5-minute bars, prediction or analyzing fundamentals–it’s Trend Following.