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Rough Patches… Just Part of the Game

Dry spells and rough patches are all part of this trend game. Sometimes it can feel like you are all alone in your drawdowns. It’s always good to be reminded that many, many people have been there before and made it out on the other end. Consider some feedback:

Nice podcast with Mark Minervini and was pleasantly surprised. Did not know what to expect as I don’t know much about [him]. You guys both brought home some really good points. Points that especially were practical and informative. The nice thing with the podcast is that at times you might be going through something in your trading and one of your guests makes a remark or reference and you have one of these eye opening moments. I guess in my own little way I feel a sense of validation!

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Ep. 231: Two Centuries of Trend Following with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

 Two Centuries of Trend Following with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio
Two Centuries of Trend Following with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Please enjoy my monologue Two Centuries of Trend Following with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio. This episode may also include great outside guests from my archive.

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Ep. 230: Mark Minervini Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Mark Minervini
Mark Minervini

My guest today is Mark Minervini, a technical analyst, acclaimed author, instructor, and independent trader. He has over 30 years of experience in finance, and was featured in Jack Schwager’s Stock Market Wizards; Conversations with America’s Top Stock Traders.

The topic is his book Trade Like a Stock Market Wizard: How to Achieve Super Performance in Stocks in Any Mar

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • Importance of influences outside of the finance world
  • Minervini’s atypical background in music and how he got to where he is today
  • Capturing ‘super performance’ and the trend
  • The importance of cutting your losers short
  • How Minervini spends his day
  • Richard Love and ‘super performance’ stocks
  • Why Minervini is not a fan of diversification beyond the minimum amount that you can get away with
  • Richard Donchian, Jesse Livermore and their influence on Minervini
  • Timeless strategies
  • Paul Tudor Jones and ‘losers average losers’
  • The importance of not just trading what you know
  • ‘New high ground’ and not being afraid of buying higher highs
  • Risk management and bet sizing
  • The biggest areas where new traders often start off on the wrong foot
  • Howard Lederer and poker players as an analogy to traders
  • Why you shouldn’t even turn on the television as a stock trader

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Trend Following, Momentum, Systematic Quant? Avoid the Mental Masturbation of the “Name” of the Game!

Article seen by Francois Sicart titled “Don’t Get Sidetracked by Momentum Chasing”:

In an early philosophy course, to introduce the concept (and danger) of extrapolation, our professor used the example of an Englishman landing in France for the first time. Seeing two red-headed women on the dock, he immediately calls his friends in London to report that all French women are red heads. The title of a recent Casey Research paper, “Extrapolation Fever”, recently reminded me of this example and its title seemed particularly timely. Extrapolation is the assumption that you can generalize from limited samples and/or that current trends will continue forever. Sadly, we all have a tendency to extrapolate and I have long believed that this is one of the worst biases of investing, responsible for the destruction of innumerable portfolios. This was the reason for my early adoption of a contrarian investment approach. Possibly the second worst investment bias is our need to believe a good story. As a trend matures, its causes become obvious to the average investor. He or she comes to assume that this is the way the world always works, forgetting that by the time a story is obvious to a majority, it is already reflected in the price of a stock or of the market. My view, and that of many contrarian investors, is that the world is cyclical. Economic indicators, for example, tend to fluctuate around either a long-term trend or a historical average, periodically “reverting to the mean”, as statisticians say. Financial markets, which are importantly influenced by the excesses of crowd psychology, do not only revert to the mean, but usually go through it, toward a more “exuberant” high or low. In financial markets, the most common use of extrapolation is called momentum investing, which consists of buying what has been going up on the assumption that it will continue to go up. Numerous studies have documented that momentum investing works most of the time: stocks and markets tend to do as they have been recently doing. The only problem is that many studies also show that (almost by definition) momentum does not work when it counts most, i.e. at major market turning points. And as I have pointed out before, in investments it is not how often you are right that counts; it is how much money you make when you are right. There is no need to revive an old argument about momentum versus value. Let me just say that I personally don’t know any rich momentum investors – at least not any that made and kept a fortune in the stock market. I do know a few rich and successful value contrarian investors, however. There also are some that I have mentioned in the past, whom I do not know but enjoy watching and reading: besides Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger, they include Jeremy Grantham, at GMO.; Howard Marks at Oaktree; and William Browne, of Tweedy, Browne. We not only have a commonality of views, but also similar experiences and career paths. All three gentlemen can also claim superior long-term investment records—and by long-term, I do not mean five year; I mean more than thirty years…There is no lack of successful investors besides those I mentioned above, and my requirement for a thirty-year-plus record may seem self-serving, since only an older investor can have such a record. For example, 56-year-old Seth Klarman, founder of the Baupost Group, has a stellar 25-year record and writes highly stimulating shareholders’ letters, BUT… I will respond like famous Chinese leader Zhou Enlai who, when asked what he thought was the significance of the French Revolution of 1789, reportedly answered: “It is too soon to say”. Today, there is one trend that has been in effect for a very long time and whose causes are well understood and routinely enunciated by even the financially less-literate: declining and low interest rates. Interest rates approached 14% in 1984 and, although recently doubling, have remained under 3% since mid-2011. And, while interest rates declined by 80% almost without interruption for 30 years, the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index gained a remarkable 1041%. Interestingly, I am finding the investor consensus is now overwhelmingly anticipating that interest rates will eventually rise again. So, expecting them to do so is not exactly contrarian. But my concern goes beyond just the stock and bond markets. Thirty years of “suppressed” interest rates, as economists say to describe the central banks’ aggressive role in reducing and almost eliminating financing costs in the economy, must have been addictive. All our instincts and economic reflexes are now unconsciously geared to this misleading environment and, for investors who have no experience pre-dating the early 1980s, it would take an exceptional imagination to picture what it was like to invest in an environment of high and rising inflation, high and rising interest rates. Some of the successful “old guard” may provide some guidance: Jeremy Grantham, in a Barron’s interview in March, believes the stock market may go higher, but for the wrong reasons: We do think the market is going to go higher because the Fed hasn’t ended its game, and it won’t stop playing until we are in old-fashioned bubble territory and it bursts … But to invest our clients’ money on the basis of speculation being driven by the Fed’s misguided policies doesn’t seem like the best thing to do with our clients’ money… We invest our clients’ money based on our seven-year prediction. And over the next seven years, we think the market will have negative returns. Howard Marks, in a lecture at Wharton (March 17, 2014), remembered his early career experiences, which taught him that with its Nifty 50 policy [early 1970s], Citibank had invested in the best companies in America and lost a lot of money; then it invested in the worst companies in America [junk bonds] and made a lot of money. He noted that “it shouldn’t take you too long to figure out that success in investing is not a function of what you buy. It’s a function of what you pay.” An asset of high quality can be overpriced and be a bad investment; an asset of low quality can be bought cheaply and be a good investment. Then focusing on the present, he warned that the current low return on credit instruments, due to low interest rates, has spawned some risky behavior in the market. “If the market is pro-risk, then risky securities can be issued. We have to make sure that it’s not we who buy them.” It would be hard to find a better conclusion than these two quotes, from investors who, over the years, have learned to let wisdom and prudence prevail over greed and short-term competition.

That disproved trend following?

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Striving for Excellence

Knowing Your Financial Edge

A Solution to negative interest rates


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The Mechanical System Light Bulb Moment!

A recent email:

…read your book “Trend Following” on the plane. Your style of writing is amazing simple, clear, and direct. I used to be a journalist in the Marines so I appreciate well written thoughts. I especially love the stories and analogies you’ve captured. They are truth to me and have started the mindset shift I need to receive what trading has to offer. I’m not a college graduate. Just a simple knuckle-dragger who goes around Southern California to close deals and consult. I went to college to learn how to trade (never did and never finished). Since 1991 that’s all I’ve ever wanted to do–trade. Don’t know why, it’s just been calling me for years. Without being too long winded, I stumbled across Courtney Smith’s mechanical trading strategies. I never fully grasped the magnitude of mechanical trading until reading your work and I’m grateful and thankful to discover it. I look forward to riding the bucking bronco until I die. Thanks again for everything.

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Ep. 227: Justin Fox Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Justin Fox
Justin Fox

My guest today is Justin Fox, an American financial journalist, commentator, and writer born in Morristown, New Jersey. He is a Bloomberg Opinion columnist and former editorial director of the Harvard Business Review Group and business and economics columnist for Time magazine.

The topic is his book The Myth Of The Rational Market: A History of Risk, Reward, and Delusion on Wall Street.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • Harry Markowitz, Bayesian statistics, and making smart decisions in an uncertain world using quantitative tools
  • Stocks, beta, and the importance of making useful predictions
  • Commodities Corporation and trend following trading in the early 1970’s
  • Why a market in which everyone was rationally anticipating the future would be a random market
  • Amos Hostetter
  • How the behavioral mindset started to unfold in the 1970’s
  • Eugene Fama and the efficient market hypothesis
  • The Capital Asset Pricing Model
  • Why well-designed markets and well-informed investors are prone to manias and panics
  • Individuals making errors vs. the group getting it right

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