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Recreating the Turtle Experiement in the Information Age

A recent interchange:

Listener: As you know most new Macs don’t have DVD drives. Do you have a download to buy Broke?

Covel: It’s on Amazon and iTunes.

Listener: Thanks. And how about the DVD you send to people who sign up for your newsletter?

Covel: Here.

Listener: Thank you.

A few days later the same listener writes:

Listener: Michael, one of the best trades I make is listening to your podcast at night instead of going out to bars with my friends that don’t understand the value of time. I’ve had email conversations with Jerry Parker, [name] and a response from Salem Abraham. Wondering if you have any suggestions on how I may make a trade with them to take me under their wing and teach me as Richard Dennis taught Jerry and other Turtles? At 26-years old I don’t have as much to offer a billionaire as the value they’d be adding to my life and future income [is far greater].

Covel: No secrets on meeting people. Do read [Seth] Godin book, “Linchpin“. But you need to think carefully about the time needed to become an employee versus just being the boss from the beginning. The Turtle experiment will never be repeated as it was.

Listener: I’ll order it now. I’ve always been my own boss. I don’t want to work for them, I want to be mentored by them. But I can’t ask for value without offering them value. You know them. What could I offer them in return for mentorship? Never say never. You wouldn’t be where you are if you believed in never. Doesn’t mean we cant orchestrate a different version of the experiment.

Covel: DIY. The time wasted chasing the boss, or mentor, can be great. Much of the information and insights and mentoring you want is in front of you. But you want something else–so you don’t see it.

Listener: Your podcast is nothing but people who believed in themselves and didn’t listen to others when they said they couldn’t do something, including yourself. Really surprised you are so quick to discourage me from seeking mentorship. I know the way the experiment was done is extraordinary and rare. Doesn’t mean we can’t figure something out that could persuade Jerry or Salem or at least intrigue them.

Covel: You are not the only one to contact all these great traders in the day of the information age. They only have so much time. Best advice: DIY.


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The Hard Part About Surfing

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Hey Michael, Not sure if you caught Seth Godin’s most recent blog post, so I thought I’d pass it along:


Surfing, the conceptual kind, is more essential than ever, it’s not optional. And the hardest part of surfing, by far, is paddling out, not surfing in. Carrying the board, getting back into the water, paddling through the waves, waiting for the next set…it’s exhausting, and surfers spend far more time doing this than they do on the other part. Having the guts to surf is what change demands. And finding the stamina to paddle back out is a key part of surfing.


I thought it had many parallels to trend following. Enjoy!

[Name]

Thanks!


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Terrance Odean Podcast Feedback

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Dear Terry and Mike,

I just heard the interview the two of you did on Mike’s show, and I really enjoyed it. I’ve known Terry for many years not only because he was a guest on my show in 2011, but also because he was kind enough to endorse my recent book about chess and investing, Rich As A King: How the Wisdom of Chess Can Make You a Grandmaster of Investing. And I know Mike because we had a great conversation a little while back on his show when he interviewed both me and my co-author, Susan Polgar.

I wanted to write to the two of you to say thanks not only because I enjoyed the interview, but because one of the stories that came up reminded me of something that happened to me when I was young and I thought you would get a kick out of it.

When I was in high school and my two older brothers were at Princeton, we decided during winter break that we would use our new Apple computer to write a program to predict the stock market. We thought we were pretty clever and we stayed up late at night programming, watching Star Trek, and going out for midnight runs. We didn’t know how to access data easily in those days, so we went to the library and looked up on microfiche a year’s worth of daily closing values of the Dow Jones Industrial Average.

For weeks and weeks we toiled over our project until finally we figured out an algorithm that if we invested in a certain way, based on our historical review, we would have winning trades about 55% of the time. We realized that advantage, especially if leveraged using margin, could lead to billion-dollar success. Thrilled with our brilliance, we went to bed and dreamed about our future success. Two of us did at least. My oldest brother David, now a professor of aeronautical engineering and the guy who originally planned the mission to crash a satellite on the moon to detect water, stayed up for a few more hours.

Crawling through every line of our code, he eventually realized that we were suffering from information leak, including the next day’s market close in our predictions. So much for prophetic algorithms!

I enjoyed hearing Terry tell his story because it made me think of what happened to my brothers and me 30 years ago. And I love the way that Mike does the interviews because he really asks excellent questions and helps his guests shine.

Finally, Terry, I should thank you (as thousands of investment advisers should) for all the work that you have done because it has helped me guide my clients to handle their portfolios responsibly. I tell them things like, “There’s this professor out in California who did some fantastic research and based on his studies, Mr. Client, I don’t think you should try to trade your own account.”

All the best,
Doug

Thanks!


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Hocus Pocus, Smoke and Mirrors Is Not Trend Following

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Very stimulating to hear [listen] an “original Turtle” still thrilled and verifying the TF he learned in 1983. Like Jerry Parker, as I read your books, validated in your course, I believed it “hook, line, and sinker.” The rest is hocus pocus, smoke and mirrors. Been there, done that.

Thanks,
[Name]

Thanks!


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What Value Does a Trader Bring to the Market?

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Hi Michael, I am enjoying your podcasts tremendously, and have started to listen to them all the way back one by one … since outset. I came across one of your monologs where you talks about money as means of exchange, people exchanging value. I am familiar with this definition. I am curious about your opinion about trading with that regard, meaning, what value does a trader brings? What is the role of the trader in that respect?

Kindly,
[Name]

Ayn Rand said it best:

Happiness is not to be achieved at the command of emotional whims. Happiness is not the satisfaction of whatever irrational wishes you might blindly attempt to indulge. Happiness is a state of non-contradictory joy—a joy without penalty or guilt, a joy that does not clash with any of your values and does not work for your own destruction, not the joy of escaping from your mind, but of using your mind’s fullest power, not the joy of faking reality, but of achieving values that are real, not the joy of a drunkard, but of a producer. Happiness is possible only to a rational man, the man who desires nothing but rational goals, seeks nothing but rational values and finds his joy in nothing but rational actions.

Just as I support my life, neither by robbery nor alms, but by my own effort, so I do not seek to derive my happiness from the injury of the favor of others, but earn it by my own achievement. Just as I do not consider the pleasure of others as the goal of my life, so I do not consider my pleasure as the goal of the lives of others. Just as there are no contradictions in my values and no conflicts among my desires—so there are no victims and no conflicts of interest among rational men, men who do not desire the unearned and do not view one another with a cannibal’s lust, men who neither make sacrifices nor accept them.

The symbol of all relationships among such men, the moral symbol of respect for human beings, is the trader. We, who live by values, not by loot are traders, both in manner and spirit. A trader is a man who earns what he gets and does not give or take the undeserved. A trader does not ask to be paid for his failures, nor does he ask to be loved for his flaws. A trader does not squander his body as fodder, or his soul as alms. Just as he does not give his work except in trade for material values, so he does not give the values of his spirit—his love, his friendship, his esteem—except in payment and in trade for human virtue, in payment for his own selfish pleasure, which he receives from men he can respect. The mystic parasites who have, throughout the ages, reviled the trader and held him in contempt, while honoring the beggars and the looters, have known the secret motive of the sneers: a trader is the entity they dread—a man of justice.


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Trend Following Little League: Spreading the Word

Michael Covel Trend Following Little League Team
Michael Covel Trend Following Little League Team

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Was in Ashburn [Virginia] for a youth hockey game this morning and one of the Reston [Virginia] players walked out of the locker room with a TrendFollowing.com Little League T-shirt on and I had to do a double take. Thinking, wait I have seen that T-shirt before! LOVE that small world stuff!

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