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Ep. 318: Christopher Chabris Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Christopher Chabris
Christopher Chabris

My guest today is Christopher Chabris, an American research psychologist, currently Associate Professor of Psychology and co-director of the Neuroscience Program at Union College in Schenectady, New York, Adjunct Assistant Professor of Neurology at Albany Medical College and a Research Affiliate at the MIT Center for Collective Intelligence.

The topic is his book The Invisible Gorilla: How Our Intuitions Deceive Us.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • Witnesses, memory, and the legal system
  • Expert witness testimony
  • “The play that changed poker”
  • Mastery in any field
  • The connection between chess and memory
  • Chabris’ interaction with Neil deGrasse Tyson, and how memory affects our outlook
  • The stock market, prediction, and forecasting
  • The importance of confidence with regard to predictions
  • Simple rules vs. complex rules
  • Oprah Winfrey, Malcolm Gladwell, and intuition
  • Memory and the influx of information coming at us

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Ep. 309: Mark Mobius Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Mark Mobius
Mark Mobius

My guest today is Mark Mobius, Ph.D., executive chairman of Templeton Emerging Markets Group, joined Templeton in 1987. Currently, he directs the Templeton research team which is based in 18 global emerging markets offices, and manages emerging markets portfolios. Mobius oversees a team of more than 50 people managing some $45 billion.

The topic is economics.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • Key events that happened along Mobius’ development and moved him to find emerging markets as his passion
  • Growth across Asia
  • The importance of being on the ground to see what’s happening in China to have a true picture of what’s going on
  • Why what’s happening in China now is entirely different from the USSR in the early 1980’s
  • The two Koreas, and whether we’ll see one Korea eventually
  • The impact of both North and South Korea on their own
  • Mobius’ outlook on Myanmar
  • Singapore as an emerging market, and as it is compared to a city in the States
  • India, its growth, and how Mobius sees it moving forward
  • The importance of travel, and how it changes everybody that goes out there and experiences it

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Ep. 275: Joel Mokyr Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Joel Mokyr
Joel Mokyr

My guest today is Joel Mokyr, an economic historian at Northwestern University. He focuses on technological progress, and how it affects growth. From Mokyr’s perspective, we haven’t seen anything yet. He’s not trying to predict what will happen next; he’s just confident and ready that big things will continue to happen.

The topic is technology.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • Define technology
  • The notion of playing God with technology
  • How technology and economic growth are intertwined
  • Why screwing up is part of technology
  • The acceleration of technology
  • New ways of measuring growth
  • Anesthesia and antibiotics as technologies and imagining new technologies as revolutionary as them
  • Moving from a wheat and steel economy into an information economy
  • The factory, the separation between firm and household, and the Industrial Revolution
  • The death of distance
  • Why technology is often not reflected in the GDP
  • Solving the language barrier through technology
  • Why the global acceptance of the English language is driven by technology
  • Why innovation isn’t natural to us
  • The declining respect of the writings of previous generations
  • Why the median age will continue to increase
  • Why we are moving into a mass-customization society
  • Changes in material science
  • The best way to think about the future

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Central Banks, What Have they Become? Ben Hunt’s View

A recent piece from Ben Hunt (see my Trend Following Radio Podcasts with Ben Hunt: ep 252, and ep. 447:

In every important respect, the Fed and the ECB and their brethren are no longer central banks at all. They are Ministries of Markets, no different from a Ministry of Industry or – even more eerily similar – the Ministry of Culture you would find in most European governments.

I spent the past week in Switzerland, meeting with old friends and making some new ones, and just like my recent travels in the US there was one overwhelming sentiment. No one doubts the omnipotence of central banks. No one doubts that market outcomes are fully determined by central bank policy. No one doubts that central banks are large and in charge. No one doubts that central banks can and will inflate financial asset prices. And everyone hates it.

Among those investors and allocators with the freedom to flee public markets, the interest in private market opportunities has never been greater. Among those investors and allocators trapped by mandate diktat in the Alice in Wonderland world of public markets, the resigned desperation has never been worse. It’s a quiet desperation in Zurich – a Teutonic stare at the floor and a wrinkling of the mouth – more obvious in Geneva with a Gallic shrug and a full-faced grimace. But’s it’s all the same emotional response to the Bizarro markets in this, the Golden Age of the Central Banker.

At this point the Narrative hegemony is complete. There’s no longer even a cursory bow to the idea that fundamentals matter. Earnings seasons come and go in the financial press with hardly a murmur. Over the past six months I can count on the fingers of one hand the financial press headlines that recapped the market day by saying that stocks went up or down “because” of company fundamentals. Six months ago I was writing in insurgent fashion about the “New Goldilocks Economy” constructed not on actual fundamental data but on how that data was interpreted through the lens of central bank policy. Today it’s a so-what-else-is-new article in the WSJ. A year ago I would meet with the occasional true believer in the power of central bank Narratives and the poverty of fundamental analysis in an environment of profound political uncertainty, but it was always against a dominant backdrop of “synchronized global growth” or “stock-picking is going to work again, just you wait and see”. Now everyone is a convert to the Narrative of Central Bank Omnipotence. Wherever I go, anywhere in the world, I am preaching to the choir when I deliver my sermon.

So I’m calling a top. Not a top in markets, because I honestly have no idea what’s going to happen next. But I’m calling a top in the Narrative of Central Bank Omnipotence because it has, in fact, reached its asymptotic limit of influence and belief.

It’s a top because the cracks are starting to show and widen. A Narrative architecture can sustain amazing structures, much like the flying buttress allows Gothic cathedrals to soar, but ultimately it can only bear so much weight. Draghi’s language last Thursday was sloppy. His pitch was uncharacteristically poor as he sang his lullaby to the Red King. I think he’s bitten off waaaay more than even he can chew, a point I’ll review at length next week. As for the US, the Central Bank Omnipotence Narrative is actually counterproductive for equity market price levels at this point. Because we are such well-trained monkeys, we act by reflex today to buy-buy-buy whenever a headline of Central Bank activism surfaces, but the training starts to work the other way when the tightening starts in earnest and the Fed reserves hang out there unresolved, like the mother of all lead balloons draped around the long end of the curve. Remember what an inverted yield curve looks like? Ain’t a pretty sight. But draining the reserves could look even worse. Damned if you do. Damned if you don’t. And the equity market caught in the middle.

It’s a top because – like a Ministry of Industry or a Ministry of Culture – a Ministry of Markets and its dirigiste control of the human animal’s social behavior ultimately fails. Maybe not a failure in the sense of apocalypse and ruin (although sometimes), but a failure in the sense that The Next Big Thing never comes out of a Ministry. They have their successes, sure, some grand program or triumphant announcement, but they’re only successes because we are TOLD they are successes. Since when has a Ministry of Culture sparked great art? Since when has a Ministry of Industry sparked great commercial advancement? Ministries are well-meaning. Ministries are the darlings of the professional intelligentsia that controls the organs of the State and Media. Ministries are wonderfully effective instruments of social control. But neither art nor commerce nor investment comes well from on high. It just doesn’t stick. The most powerful ideas in human history always come from below, not from above, and markets (and elections and revolutions) are the transmission mechanism of the idea engine. Watch out above!w

An inflection point in the market Narrative doesn’t alter market price levels directly. It alters the informational structure of markets (for a refresher course on what I mean, see “Through the Looking Glass”). It alters the market’s response pattern to future signals and events. That’s why I think it’s silly to predict end of year S&P 500 levels or engage in any such crystal ball gazing, because I have no idea what will happen next. But whatever pops out of the woods next (and somehow I doubt the global economy is walking down a primrose path), I think that using an Epsilon Theory perspective based on information theory and strategic behavior can help me react quickly and appropriately, which is what I mean by Adaptive Investing.

I don’t know what the catalyst for The Next Big Thing will be, although I have my suspicions. Maybe it’s a realignment election in Italy or the US. Maybe it’s China saying whatever the Mandarin equivalent of no mas might be. Maybe it’s a liquidity seizure in the repo market or some other unanticipated structural market failure. But whatever it is, we’re no longer at a point where additional State intervention can claim additional Narrative firepower. It’s like buying a stock that has no short interest and where all the sell-side analysts are rabidly positive. No thanks! Just as a short seller today is the marginal buyer of your stock tomorrow, so is the skeptic today the convert tomorrow. There are no more skeptics. To update Milton Friedman’s famous quote, we are all Bernankians now. Or rather, we all have to profess our Bernankian faith through our market behaviors even as we privately yearn for the Old Gods of greed and fear and the Old Languages of value and growth. And that’s the inflection point. From here on out I’m a seller of the Central Bank Narrative of Omnipotence and Control, and I’ll be writing about what that means for portfolio construction and risk management here at Epsilon Theory.

All the best,
Ben Hunt, Ph.D.
Chief Risk Officer

Nice. He is not a pure trend follower, but makes a great case for it.

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Ep. 269: Robert Aumann Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Robert Aumann
Robert Aumann

My guest today is Robert Aumann, the fourth Nobel Prize winner to appear on this podcast. Aumann is an Israeli-American mathematician, and a member of the United States National Academy of Sciences. He is a professor at the Center for the Study of Rationality in the Hebrew University of Jerusalem in Israel.

The topic is game theory.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • Conflict and cooperation through game theory analysis
  • World via his game theory perspective
  • Meeting John Nash and Aumann’s early background
  • What game theory is trying to accomplish
  • The economic definition of rationality
  • The idea of a strategy matrix
  • The world champions of peace and the best way to maintain peace
  • The 2008-09 bailouts from Aumann’s perspective and a game theory outlook
  • Behavioral economics
  • Game theory, diplomats, and the Cuban Missile Crisis
  • The existence of nuclear weapons and the Cold War

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Ep. 262: Terry Burnham Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Terry Burnham
Terry Burnham

My guest today is Terry Burnham, an economist who studies the biological and evolutionary basis of human behavior. He has a Ph.D. in Business Economics from Harvard University, a Masters from the MIT Sloan School with a concentration in finance. Terry was a professor at the Harvard Kennedy School, the University of Michigan, and the Harvard Business School. His non-academic experiences include working briefly for Goldman, Sachs & Co., being the chief financial officer for Progenics Pharmaceuticals , a start-up biotechnology company, and being the director of portfolio management for Acadian Asset Management, a quantitative equity manager.

The topic is his book Mean Markets and Lizard Brains: How to Profit from the New Science of Irrationality.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • Burnham removed $1 million from his Bank of America account and said “I don’t trust the banks”
  • The two ways to think about risk
  • Separating the ideas of luck and skill
  • The lizard brain and how it relates back to our choices
  • A story about interacting with Paul Tudor Jones
  • Why markets have momentum
  • The great driver of conformity
  • Rationality and irrationality
  • Captive chimps vs. chimps in the wild and the differences in behavior
  • Predicting when the Fed will step in
  • Thinking of the worst case scenario for equities and looking to Japan for an example
  • Negative interest rates

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Ep. 258: Megan McArdle Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Megan McArdle
Megan McArdle

My guest today is Megan McArdle, a Bloomberg View columnist who writes on economics, business and public policy. She founded the blog “Asymmetrical Information”.

The topic is her book The Up Side of Down: Why Failing Well Is the Key to Success.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • “Trophy kids” and taking the monkey bars away
  • The idea of a regulator out there trying to guarantee our safety
  • Why the companies that make it aren’t the ones with the best strategic plan–it’s the ones that execute (and fail well)
  • The power of experimentation
  • Nobel winner Vernon Smith and experimentation
  • The idea of learning in crisis
  • How sunk costs are difficult for a large part of the population to grasp
  • Van Halen, errors, and M&M’s
  • Normative error
  • Small, manageable risks
  • Forager morality vs. farmer morality
  • A story about Kentucky Fried Chicken (KFC)

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