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Thanks for the audio links, Michael. I’ve listened to these (about to listen to the excerpt of your audiobook “TurtleTrader”) and they are worth a re-hear to pick up morsels I missed the first time through. At 65, it’s increasingly important for me to do that.

I have a critically important trading question, one that has dogged me for over 20 years, an answer to which I’ve not found, and am hoping TF traders have a fairly standard approach to addressing. What happens when 44 stocks pop up on a TF screen one day? Background follows:

I threw the Trend Following algorithm located in the Appendix (or was it Chap 12?) of your book “Trend Following”, just for fun, into ToS. Not hard to screen, and I limited my universe to stocks and ETFs with Regular and Weekly Options—just to ensure sufficient liquidity of the securities traded. I also built its mirror for bear trend following.

I wanted to see how many stocks would pop up on the screen. For a number of days, I’d see a couple, maybe one, where the volume of the candidate stock also exceeded its five-day SMA on the day it popped up; I’m tracking each daily list in its entirety for about 60 days to see if above-average volume is an effective 2nd-round screen.

I’m paper trading these for now and for at least two more months while I work the kinks out of my understanding of the choice of 39-period (days in my case) High of Highs and the 13-day TS. I’m comfortable with this kind of strategy—catch some fresh blood or a renewed uptrend, catch a long-term climber, and 13 is one of Tom DeMark’s Sacred Numbers (just kidding—I respect his work a lot). Also built the mirror screen for shorting. I know, I could wind up holding a position for 12 times that length, but the first 60 days are enough for me to start noticing some tendencies. I’m also a fan of backtesting to exclude stocks that don’t often follow through on a High of Highs signal, but I haven’t done so yet for this experiment.

Well, on Friday my old nemesis appeared—about 44 stocks had passed my Bear TF initial screen. No way I would buy 44 new puts—my balances aren’t high enough to sustain such a thing. However, any screen that pushes that many candidates through are usually useless to me, as I have a knack for picking the worst 5 out of a pile of 40 candidates. The Worst 5. I’ve not tried a simple random sample of the candidates, nor have I tried to backtest each candidate yet.

If you have a podcast that addresses this question, I’ll be glad to listen to it. Thanks for your time.

Sincerely,
[Name]

Great question. It is an issue that I have helped clients with for over a decade (www.trendfollowing.com/products).

Trend following at its essence has 5 issues:

1. What market do you buy or sell at any time?
2. How much of a market do you buy or sell at any time?
3. When do you buy or sell a market?
4. When do you get out of a losing position?
5. When do you get out of a winning position?

Said another way (Bill Eckhardt inspired):

1. What is the state of the market?
2. What is the volatility of the market?
3. What is the equity being traded?
4. What is the system or the trading orientation?
5. What is the risk aversion of the trader or client?

To your question, its #1. Narrowing the portfolio. One of the keys with trend following is to narrow the portfolio so you don’t trade everything and if there are competing signals that you have a ranking system.


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Ep. 498: Norton Reamer Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

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My guest today is Norton Reamer, the former Chief Investment Officer and CEO of Putnam Investments. He also founded and ran United Asset Management for 20 years. He has 50 years of experience on Wall Street. Today, Michael and Norton talk about his new book, “Investment: A History.” It is a detailed anthology on investment.

The topic is his book Investment: A History.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio:

  • Personal responsibility in the stock market
  • The role of financial leverage
  • Resource allocation
  • The suspension of diligence during economic booms
  • Efficient markets vs. Behavioral markets
  • Warren Buffett and survivorship bias
  • Tail risk
  • Quant and momentum style trading
  • Practicing caution in the markets
  • What impact does interest rates have on the value of assets

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Diversity in the Trend Following Podcast

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Mike,

You asked for feedback so here goes…

Thank you very much for the excellent series of podcasts, whist I was specifically drawn to them from the trading perspective, I have found the more recent directions you have been going in have also been very inspiring. I have just read Chris Voss’s book and have bought Cialdini’s as well as several other authors you have had on.

I consider myself to be fairly well educated, I have a degree in psychology, an MBA, I am a chartered accountant, have a treasury qualification, have many vocational qualifications, i.e. learned to fly, taught formal navigation courses etc.

I have developed a viewpoint, prior to your podcasts, which has driven me to a lifelong yearning to learn, and hopefully drive my personal development. I believe that people have a massive capability to improve their engagement and performance in many arena’s however most people just want to hook into the matrix and be led by the nose. Unfortunately most businesses are not organized to try to get the most out of their staff either, which does not help the situation.

I have found your podcasts to be a better education for life than any of the above formal qualifications that I have studied, I enjoyed most of them, but I did not really enjoy my time at school, from an educational perspective I though it was sadly lacking, although probably part of the blame rests with me.

Whilst your podcasts lack the academic infrastructure, so I mean there is no follow up process to ensure what elements people pick up and choose to study in more depth, I believe the series is far superior to a university degree. I feel you should be congratulated on what you have achieved so far, the eclectic mix of such a wide range of people, from Ayn Rand, Robert Greene, Ed Seykota, Milton Freidman, Napoleon Hill, Didier Sornette, Steve Pinker etc. is inspirational. I personally recommend your podcast at every opportunity, I have a niece and nephew who are just coming to the age where I think they might benefit from this, and I will recommend this to them soon.

Some of my favourite podcasts include Napoleon Hill, Chris Voss, David Harding and Gerd Gigerenzer, in no particular order. There are very few that have ever left me cold.

What I find astonishing is that you continue to do this at such a pace, I struggle to keep up with you, from a reading perspective. I have found some fantastic sources of mind improving information in your work, in addition to the trend following approach to trading which drew me in the first place.

Keep up the good work,
[Name]

Thanks for the nice words!

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Ep. 497: David Stockman with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

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My guest today is David Stockman, a former United States congressman. His books include, “The Great Deformation”, and “Trumped: A Nation on the Brink of Ruin… And How to Bring it Back”. He is the ultimate Washington insider turned iconoclast. He began his career in Washington as a young man and quickly rose through the ranks of the Republican Party to become the Director of the Office of Management and Budget under President Ronald Reagan. After leaving the White House, Stockman had a 20-year career on Wall Street.

The topics are his books Trumped! A Nation on the Brink of Ruin … and How to Bring It Back and The Great Deformation: The Corruption of Capitalism in America.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • Glass Steagall
  • Clinton and Trump campaigns
  • Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders supporters
  • Deutsche Bank
  • European banking system
  • Sub-zero interest rates
  • Chinese economy
  • 2016 Election as a turning point in America

“[Economists] are making it up by the day, as they go along. This stuff is really stupid and it is getting crazier by the day.” – David Stockman

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Bubbles, Rationality and Trend Following

Human nature isn’t rational. It blows bubbles and then pops bubbles—and we can see this going back hundreds of years seen across calamities that we have all heard about:

• Dutch Tulip Mania (1634-1637)
• The South Sea Bubble (1716-1720)
• The Mississippi Bubble (1716-1720)
• The British Railway Mania Bubble (1840s)
• The Panic of 1857
• The Florida Real Estate Bubble of the 1920s
• The Stock Market Crash of 1929
• The 1973–74 Stock Market Crash
• Black Monday – the Stock Market Crash of 1987
• Japan’s Bubble Economy and Crash 1989-current
• Dot Com Bubble (1999-2002)
• United States Bear Market (2007-2009)
• Flash Crash (2010)
• Chinese stock market crash (2015-16)
• Brexit (2016)

And on and on…

But it’s beyond simply not rational. Those events, the human action driving those booms and busts, are best described by academia’s Prospect theory, cognitive dissonance, the bandwagon effect, loss aversion and assorted heuristics in judgment and decision-making—to name a few of the hundreds of biases inherent in our lizard brains.

More.


How can you move forward immediately to Trend Following profits? My books and my Flagship Course and Systems are trusted options by clients in 70+ countries.

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Ep. 496: Six Feet Under with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Six Feet Under with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio
Six Feet Under with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

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Please enjoy my monologue Six Feet Under with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio. This episode may also include great outside guests from my archive.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio:

  • Free lunch myth
  • Robin Hood myth
  • Collectivism
  • Case against equal pay for equal work

“The state is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else.” –Frédéric Bastiat

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Ep. 495: Ted Parkhill with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Ted Parkhill
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My guest today is Ted Parkhill. Ted has over 25 years of management experience in the investment business. He is a founding partner of systematic macro investment manager Incline Investment Management (IIM). He is also serves as an Assistant Professor of business at Sierra Nevada College in Incline Village, NV. Prior to IIM he was the director of marketing for Zazove Associates a multi-billion dollar quantitative convertible securities manager. He was a senior marketing executive at John W. Henry & Company one of the original Commodity Trading Advisors.

The topic is Trend Following.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • It is possible to consistently generate profitable returns through systematic trading
  • Markets are inefficient and therefore trends materialize
  • Trends last longer than people think
  • Prices reflect the sum of the knowledge of all market participants

“…Human nature never changes. Therefore, the stock market never changes. Only the faces, the pockets, the suckers, and the manipulators, the wars, the disasters and the technologies change. The market itself never changes. How can it? Human nature never changes, and human nature runs the market – not reason, not economics, and certainly not logic. It is our human emotions that drive the market, as they do most other things on this planet.” – Jesse Livermore 1940

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