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The Same Turtle Principles

Yesterday’s Turtle panel in Chicago yielded expected results: all of the Turtles adhere to long term trend following techniques rooted in those original Turtle lessons from so many decades ago. Many said they sill use the money management guides as taught. I still need to get the exact phrasing, but Turtle Paul Rabar had a fantastic statement on why trends and trend following persists as a great money-making strategy. What separates some Turtles from others? I go into this subject in chapter 11 of my book “The Complete TurtleTrader”, but this quote from Jim Rogers gets to the point:

“Most of us don’t have the discipline to stay focused on a single goal for five, ten, or twenty years, giving up everything to bring it off, but that’s what’s necessary to become an Olympic champion, a world class surgeon, or a Kirov ballerina. Even then, of course, it may be all in vain. You may make a single mistake that wipes out all the work. It may ruin the sweet, lovable self you were at seventeen. That old adage is true: You can do anything in life, you just can’t do everything. That’s what Bacon meant when he said a wife and children were hostages to fortune. If you put them first, you probably won’t run the three-and-a-half-minute-mile, make your first $10 million, write the great American novel, or go around the world on a motorcycle. Such goals take complete dedication.”
-Jim Rogers

Rich Dennis and Four TurtleTraders Today in Chicago

For the first time publicly today Richard Dennis appeared on stage with four of his Turtle students. Joining him were Jerry Parker, Liz Cheval, Tom Shanks and Paul Rabar. The room was packed so I may have missed other Turtles in the audience, but Brian Proctor (Turtle) was sitting behind me.

The Complete TurtleTrader: How 23 Novice Investors Became Overnight Millionaires
The Complete TurtleTrader: How 23 Novice Investors Became Overnight


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Rich Dennis Raw MidAm Exchange Feedback

From a reader:

Mr. Covel, I picked up a copy of your “The Complete TurtleTrader” and finished it in one sitting. Very nice book and you did a very thorough job in your research. Your book is an improvement over […]’s book. You did a nice and quick explanation of N, which […] failed to do in his seminars. I was thoroughly impressed when you mentioned Lucy Wyatt. Not too many people know of her involvement in the early stages of the Eckhardt-Dennis school of thought…You brought  up a lot of names from the MidAmerica Days. The person who was instrumental in Dennis’ (PDF) growth was a trader at the MidAm by the name of Harold Greenberg. Harold was a trend trader and it was he who always took out the positions that Dennis, Willis, Ware, and others who were panicked into selling. Harold would just go into the pit, and buy anything these boys sold to him, as long as it was a bull market. I always get a kick out of what Harold use to tell everyone: “I’ve been trading for over 30 years and I’ve been broke 29 of those years!” I would like to buy a copy of your book, autographed to me, “[…],” and whatever you can think of inscribing. How do I go about it? Thanks in advance. William […]

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Paul Tudor Jones II on the “Tape”

Paul Tudor Jones thinks smartly. An example:

When trading macro, you never have a complete information set or information edge the way analysts can have when trading individual securities. It’s a hell of a lot easier to get an information edge on one stock than it is on the S&P 500. When it comes to trading macro, you cannot rely solely on fundamentals; you have to be a tape reader, which is something of a lost art form. The inability to read a tape and spot trends is also why so many in the relative-value space who rely solely on fundamentals have been annihilated in the past decade. Markets have consistently experienced ‘100-year events’ every five years. While I spend a significant amount of my time on analytics and collecting fundamental information, at the end of the day, I am a slave to the tape and proud of it.

He adds:

I see the younger generation hampered by the need to understand and rationalize why something should go up or down. Usually, by the time that becomes self-evident, the move is already over. When I got into the business, there was so little information on fundamentals, and what little information one could get was largely imperfect. We learned just to go with the chart. Why work when Mr. Market can do it for you? These days, there are many more deep intellectuals in the business, and that, coupled with the explosion of information on the Internet, creates the illusion that there is an explanation for everything and that the primary task is simply to find that explanation. As a result, technical analysis is at the bottom of the study list for many of the younger generation, particularly since the skill often requires them to close their eyes and trust the price action. The pain of gain is just too overwhelming for all of us to bear!

Why trend following trading has never made the cover of at least one magazine is beyond me.


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“Broke” Film Posters

I have had one poster for “Broke: The New American Dream” out for several months. Here are more:

Poster 1: low res and high res.
Poster 2: low res and high res.
Poster 3: low res and high res.
Poster 4: low res and high res.
Poster 5: low res and high res.
Poster 6: low res and high res.
Poster 7: low res and high res.
Poster 8: low res and high res.

These posters all have different top level quotations. I left the Hunter S. Thompson quotation in with the f-bomb, but I also included a sanitized version of it. If you want to review them download the low-res versions first. If you want to print a full color movie poster size use the high-res versions (13.9MG). Film packaging is underway and I hope to have the film available by month end!

Talent Is Overrated: The Turtles

For those who still want to argue that the success of Richard Dennis and the success of some Turtles was “nature” over “nurture” you may want to take a read of “Talent Is Overrated: What Really Separates World-Class Performers from Everybody Else.” The book’s conclusion is the exact same conclusion I wrote about in my last chapter of “The Complete TurtleTrader”: the dividing line for greatness is deliberate practice, not talent. The Turtles were absolutely an example of nurture trumping nature. And for the ones who have endured their long term success is all about their hard work.