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Dear Terry and Mike,

I just heard the interview the two of you did on Mike’s show, and I really enjoyed it. I’ve known Terry for many years not only because he was a guest on my show in 2011, but also because he was kind enough to endorse my recent book about chess and investing, Rich As A King: How the Wisdom of Chess Can Make You a Grandmaster of Investing. And I know Mike because we had a great conversation a little while back on his show when he interviewed both me and my co-author, Susan Polgar.

I wanted to write to the two of you to say thanks not only because I enjoyed the interview, but because one of the stories that came up reminded me of something that happened to me when I was young and I thought you would get a kick out of it.

When I was in high school and my two older brothers were at Princeton, we decided during winter break that we would use our new Apple computer to write a program to predict the stock market. We thought we were pretty clever and we stayed up late at night programming, watching Star Trek, and going out for midnight runs. We didn’t know how to access data easily in those days, so we went to the library and looked up on microfiche a year’s worth of daily closing values of the Dow Jones Industrial Average.

For weeks and weeks we toiled over our project until finally we figured out an algorithm that if we invested in a certain way, based on our historical review, we would have winning trades about 55% of the time. We realized that advantage, especially if leveraged using margin, could lead to billion-dollar success. Thrilled with our brilliance, we went to bed and dreamed about our future success. Two of us did at least. My oldest brother David, now a professor of aeronautical engineering and the guy who originally planned the mission to crash a satellite on the moon to detect water, stayed up for a few more hours.

Crawling through every line of our code, he eventually realized that we were suffering from information leak, including the next day’s market close in our predictions. So much for prophetic algorithms!

I enjoyed hearing Terry tell his story because it made me think of what happened to my brothers and me 30 years ago. And I love the way that Mike does the interviews because he really asks excellent questions and helps his guests shine.

Finally, Terry, I should thank you (as thousands of investment advisers should) for all the work that you have done because it has helped me guide my clients to handle their portfolios responsibly. I tell them things like, “There’s this professor out in California who did some fantastic research and based on his studies, Mr. Client, I don’t think you should try to trade your own account.”

All the best,
Doug

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Ep. 331: Douglas Emlen Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Douglas Emlen
Douglas Emlen

My guest today is Douglas Emlen, a professor at the University of Montana. He is the recipient of the Presidential Early Career Award in Science and Engineering from the Office of Science and Technology Policy at the White House. He has also earned multiple research awards from the National Science Foundation, including their five-year CAREER award.

The topic is his book Animal Weapons: The Evolution of Battle.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • Taking our lessons from animals
  • The connection with human and animal arms races
  • International hacking
  • Comparing the fiddler crap to US and USSR bombers during the cold war
  • Defining evolutionary biology
  • How an arms race can run its course via the example of the sabertooth tiger
  • The arms race in the trading world
  • How the cuttlefish has found its way around the “alpha” system
  • Finding “workarounds” when the deck is stacked against you
  • War games and detente
  • Why predictability in weapons is important
  • One-on-one showdowns
  • The importance of being nimble

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Ep. 330: Nigol Koulajian Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Nigol Koulajian
Nigol Koulajian

 

My guest today is Nigol Koulajian, the Founder and Chief Investment Officer of Quest Partners LLC. He has been designing and trading short-term and long-term technical systems for over 22 years.

The topic is Trend Following.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • Trend following performance in 2014
  • Volatility vs. skew
  • Why having a good Sharpe Ratio is not the be-all-end-all
  • The notion that alpha in the CTA world is not a result of skill
  • Correlation between tail risk and the Sharpe Ratio
  • Central bank action and the Swiss Franc
  • Why trend following may not be as good in equity market corrections now as it has been in the past
  • Why trend following is not about the super-complicated mathematics
  • Getting outsiders to understand drawdowns
  • Emotional intelligence vs. intellectual intelligence
  • Media bias against trend following

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Hocus Pocus, Smoke and Mirrors Is Not Trend Following

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Very stimulating to hear [listen] an “original Turtle” still thrilled and verifying the TF he learned in 1983. Like Jerry Parker, as I read your books, validated in your course, I believed it “hook, line, and sinker.” The rest is hocus pocus, smoke and mirrors. Been there, done that.

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[Name]

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Ep. 329: Terrance Odean Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Terrance Odean
Terrance Odean

My guest today is Terrance Odean, the Rudd Family Foundation Professor and Chair of the Finance Group at the Haas School of Business, University of California, Berkeley. Odean has extensively researched into the empirical data on active trading. He is very well-known for his work in behavioral finance and is once of the early pioneers.

The topic is his extensive research into the empirical data on active trading.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • Odean describes his work
  • How Odean started his work looking at individual broker statements
  • The disposition effect
  • How Odean was able to get individual investor data when he was starting out
  • Looking at early thinkers in the arena of behavioral finance
  • Why people buy low and sell high
  • Why statistics are one of the best ways to understand what’s going on in the market
  • The difference between male and female investors
  • Why overconfidence hurts investors
  • Attention and how we make decisions
  • Why a simple heuristic from Seinfeld could be the best way for most investors

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What Value Does a Trader Bring to the Market?

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Hi Michael, I am enjoying your podcasts tremendously, and have started to listen to them all the way back one by one … since outset. I came across one of your monologs where you talks about money as means of exchange, people exchanging value. I am familiar with this definition. I am curious about your opinion about trading with that regard, meaning, what value does a trader brings? What is the role of the trader in that respect?

Kindly,
[Name]

Ayn Rand said it best:

Happiness is not to be achieved at the command of emotional whims. Happiness is not the satisfaction of whatever irrational wishes you might blindly attempt to indulge. Happiness is a state of non-contradictory joy—a joy without penalty or guilt, a joy that does not clash with any of your values and does not work for your own destruction, not the joy of escaping from your mind, but of using your mind’s fullest power, not the joy of faking reality, but of achieving values that are real, not the joy of a drunkard, but of a producer. Happiness is possible only to a rational man, the man who desires nothing but rational goals, seeks nothing but rational values and finds his joy in nothing but rational actions.

Just as I support my life, neither by robbery nor alms, but by my own effort, so I do not seek to derive my happiness from the injury of the favor of others, but earn it by my own achievement. Just as I do not consider the pleasure of others as the goal of my life, so I do not consider my pleasure as the goal of the lives of others. Just as there are no contradictions in my values and no conflicts among my desires—so there are no victims and no conflicts of interest among rational men, men who do not desire the unearned and do not view one another with a cannibal’s lust, men who neither make sacrifices nor accept them.

The symbol of all relationships among such men, the moral symbol of respect for human beings, is the trader. We, who live by values, not by loot are traders, both in manner and spirit. A trader is a man who earns what he gets and does not give or take the undeserved. A trader does not ask to be paid for his failures, nor does he ask to be loved for his flaws. A trader does not squander his body as fodder, or his soul as alms. Just as he does not give his work except in trade for material values, so he does not give the values of his spirit—his love, his friendship, his esteem—except in payment and in trade for human virtue, in payment for his own selfish pleasure, which he receives from men he can respect. The mystic parasites who have, throughout the ages, reviled the trader and held him in contempt, while honoring the beggars and the looters, have known the secret motive of the sneers: a trader is the entity they dread—a man of justice.


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Trend Following is for beginners, students and pros in all countries. This is not day trading 5-minute bars, prediction or analyzing fundamentals–it’s Trend Following.