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Ep. 238: Larry Hite and Alex Greyserman Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Larry Hite and Alex Greyserman
Larry Hite and Alex Greyserman

My guests today are Larry Hite and Alex Greyserman.

Hite is a hedge fund manager and is one of the forefathers of system trading. He was famously featured in the Market Wizards book. A few years ago he started ISAM with Stanley Fink. Greyserman has 25 years of experience in the CTA industry, and was originally hired by Larry Hite at Mint.

Greyserman is Chief Scientist at ISAM (PhD in Statistics). He is also a professor at Columbia University.

The topic is Trend Following.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • Singapore, and Covel’s recent excursions in Asia
  • How the game has stayed the same despite zero interest rate policy
  • What people are missing when they say “trend following is dead”
  • How you’ll never get perfection
  • Their 800 year study, the premise, and what was found out
  • Measuring human nature
  • The difference between divergent and convergent strategies
  • Risk management
  • Having “perfect” knowledge
  • Using long trends and getting whipsawed in shorter trends
  • The asset class of trend following compared to the NASDAQ buy and hold, etc.
  • What’s changed about human nature through all the booms and busts
  • Insurance, hedging your risk, and the risk transference process
  • Asymmetrical leverage
  • Adjusting to new environments
  • How those that survive are the most adaptable to the environment
  • How trend following automatically adjusts to what’s happening

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High Frequency Trading Hype

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Hello Michael, out of interest as there is a lot of concern around HFT [high frequency trading] trading firms. What are your thoughts on their impact on the markets?

What’s market behavior? Buyers and sellers? What’s HFT? Buying and selling? Who programmed the HFT? Buyers and sellers?

Note: I don’t condone illegal behaviors, but if you can buy and sell, and if you can’t stop market rigging, and if you are not glued to a screen with day trading insanity, it doesn’t matter from a trend following perspective.


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Creating Your Own Trend Following Path

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“Hi Michael: I left you a voice-mail and wanted to follow up with an email. I started up a new systematic trading firm with [known trading name] and [known trading name]. We are in the final stages of launching. I wanted to run a few things past you. Many people are asking why start a systematic trading firm (trend following – various time frames) now. All I can say is that we see an opportunity of a lifetime and have figured out what works and what doesn’t. I have been a big fan of your books and over the last year the podcasts. In fact, your continued focus on trend following and entrepreneurship caused me to re-evaluate my focus and actually ignited the idea to create this new firm and build an eclectic team of veterans. I have had the privilege of working daily with [name] and [name] over the last few months and as we get ready to launch many of the true believers of our strategy have re-emerged. As we internally try to avoid the “noise” of the market and media, these investors seem to be following suite and going against the grain. Many of my former investors asked me to reassess the strategy a little over three years ago and I went on I quest to find the best systematic traders. What I ended up deducing was that I already knew the best traders and strategies, but like me, were compared to Madoff and SAC where returns were generated from a ponzi scheme or insider trading. What we sought to create was a disciplined methodology that was “liquid and transparent” – taking calculated risk based on price action, volatility and diversification. But NOT diversification for the sake of zeroing out return. Your last podcast with Markowitz stirred me to write this email because so much of what he was saying was part of our own methodology. The dialogues you are having on the podcasts are unlike anything else out there. Please keep it up! I know you are in Asia but please email back or call me anytime at [phone] so we can arrange a Skype. I really look forward to speaking with you. All the best…[name].”

Thanks. Look forward to the call.

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Practice Patience or Not; Your Choice

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Hi Michael, since I started trading the system with real money, I’ve had a more difficult time getting traction. However, this is because I started at the beginning of March when leadership rotation kicked in big time and the main US equity indices basically stopped trending. Are you seeing others having a similar experience over the last 8 or so weeks?

Peter

Two months is two months. Just a blip on the screen relatively speaking for trend following. You have examined typical trend following records in my books, for example?

Big picture is big picture. Small picture is small picture.


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Trend Following is for beginners, students and pros in all countries. This is not day trading 5-minute bars, prediction or analyzing fundamentals–it’s Trend Following.

Price, Price, Price: The Trend Following Battle Cry

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Just one last question. Do you use any indicator? Or is analysis done only using price action?

[Name]

The 3 best indicators are: price, price, price.


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Trend Following is for beginners, students and pros in all countries. This is not day trading 5-minute bars, prediction or analyzing fundamentals–it’s Trend Following.

Brain Injury to Mathematical Genius; No Prediction!

Feedback:

Hi Mike, I just listened to a recent interview by the CBC with Jason Padgett. He had a traumatic brain injury which had the curious effect of making him a math savant, particularly regarding geometric patterns. The subject matter is interesting in and of itself and he just released a book about it. There’s a short passage in the interview at 12m35 where he mentions he was approached by a financial company in Toronto that wanted to hire him to analyze charts. His response will be right up your alley. He basically concluded that it’s not possible to “predict” future price action from chart patterns. Worthy of a sound bite or maybe even as a guest?

Keep up the great work!

Cheers,
Georges

Awesome. Thanks. I reached out to his publisher.


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Markets to Trade
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Trend Following is for beginners, students and pros in all countries. This is not day trading 5-minute bars, prediction or analyzing fundamentals–it’s Trend Following.

Trend Following Podcast Feedback from Down Under

Some podcast feedback:

Hi Michael, Just a quick email to congratulate you on a brilliant podcast. I’m a Financial Adviser and blogger in Australia and just love your insights and range of guests on the show. The mix of content you cover from investing to economics, psychology, marketing and entrepreneurship is amazing. My brain is buzzing with ideas every time I finish a podcast. Your presentation style makes for easy listening and you obviously do plenty of research on your guests. Keep up the great work and hopefully you make it to Australia some time soon!

Regards,

Wally [Name]

Thanks.


How can you move forward immediately to Trend Following profits? My books and my Flagship Course and Systems are trusted options by clients in 70+ countries.

Also jump in:

Trend Following Podcast Guests
Frequently Asked Questions
Performance
Research
Markets to Trade
Crisis Times
Trading Technology
About Us

Trend Following is for beginners, students and pros in all countries. This is not day trading 5-minute bars, prediction or analyzing fundamentals–it’s Trend Following.