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My biggest challenge is to determine if a strategy succeeds in this ever changing information age.

Trend following solved the issue of change long before the information age.


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“Like a caterpillar turning into a butterfly…”

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Hello Michael, I really enjoyed your latest podcast where you brought up Ed Seykota‘s words. When I first heard you interview him he said things that really rang true to me. I’ve adjusted to this attitude to just accept what appears to me to be a rapidly worsening condition in the United States. It’s one of those things like Ed says that is a natural thing – “Like a caterpillar turning into a butterfly”. On a related note, I recently read a book that addresses this – “Enjoy the Decline” by Aaron Clarey. It addresses this topic pretty well and had me laughing in many parts. One part that you’d appreciate – The theory that guys like you and I may be pretty smart. But, when it comes to the voting public, we’re greatly outnumbered by stupid people. That explains a lot. Anyway, all the best. Hope you have a great Christmas.

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Dave M.

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“I read the wrong books, went down the wrong rabbit holes online…”

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Hey Mr. Covel! My biggest challenge with trading has been evolving past the stage of “unconscious incompetence,” i.e., not knowing what I don’t know. I read the wrong books, went down the wrong rabbit holes online, listened to the wrong people, etc. I don’t blame anybody except myself, as it was my own judgment that got swept up by their marketing tactics.

*Side note: I love that you mentioned how your journey led you to Robert Cialdini. Getting familiarized with frameworks from advertising, copywriting, and marketing gave me the knowledge to understand how good advertising hits the consumer right where it hurts. I have the discernment I lacked before, so I can come across the next bright shiny object in trading with the proper level of scrutiny.*

My ignorance doesn’t justify my past mistakes, but I did feel there to be a silver lining to the pain upon reading a quote you included by Denise Shekerjian:

“Confidence comes from success, to be sure, but it can also come from recognizing that a lot of carefully examine failures are themselves one path to success.”

Kudos to you for putting all those quotations in the book by the way. So many authors in the trading world keep their audience in an echo chamber, and always forgo mentioning anybody else that is not them. Based on how many quotations you put in the book, and how much emphasis you put on profiling great trend followers in chapter 2, I knew that you would be somebody worth learning from because you pay homage.

Anyway, I had read the book by Nicholas Darvas recently and found your book Trend Following shortly thereafter.

Needless to say, I can’t put the book down. I’m only on the second chapter, but this is by far the best book on trading I have ever read.

I will absolutely give you a shining five star review on Amazon once finished.

I’ve been telling my friend all about it, urging him to read it. He and I don’t have any connections to the finance world, but we consistently run ideas past each other.

I am new to the trend following philosophy, I am only on chapter 2 of your book, but I have found it all to be truly profound—not just in terms of trading, but life as a whole. I’ve been reading snippets here and there to my fiancé as well, showing her how well written the book is. It is coherent, and it flows incredibly well. Trend Following is is an absolute joy to read.

Whether you reply to this email or not, I want to commend you for writing an incredible contribution to the world of traders. I subbed to your podcast, just trying to soak it all in and get up to speed. I intend to become a proficient trend follower myself, and look forward to the journey of learning from you and the rest of the greats.

Thanks a million. I hope you and your loved ones enjoy the holidays!

Abel R.

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Ep. 1139: Tail Risk Thinking with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Episode 1139
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Hi Michael,

My biggest challenge this year has been sticking to the process I chose. I decided to learn everything Mark Minervini has to offer through his books and online course. I’ve read each of his books probably 20 times each. The information and his process is engrained in me now. I thought it would be wise to copy someone with 35 years of proven success. The only problem is that in following him I’m sure I have a proven process in a bull market. Waiting for the right market environment doesn’t bother me as long as it eventually comes around. I also studied the traderlion conference from 2022 and was curious about each of the trading styles. This led me to Tom Basso who I believe they call Mr. Serenity. He was expressing his system which he called an all-weather system of trading. This led me to your podcasts which I’m thankful to have found and enjoy the many interviews with fascinating people. I’ve done your trend following book twice and I’m working on it for the third time now. I started to wonder if this bear market continues for 5-10 more years which is possible as your book I believe points out then I would need to choose trend following as an option. I plan on finishing your book for the third time before Christmas with the accompanying PDF which I just discovered is attached on audiobooks. I’m looking forward to learning the process of trend following and already have my sights on locating your other books as well as Ed Seykota’s two books. I appreciate your work and all the wisdom in your trend following book. I am attracted to following a disciplined process of trading.

Ken J.

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Ep. 1138: Hugh Hendry Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

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My guest today is Hugh Hendry, a former British hedge fund manager and now podcaster. He was the founding partner and chief investment officer of the now defunct hedge fund firm, Eclectica Asset Management. Despite returning 50 percent in his fund’s first calendar year, from the revival in the gold price back in 2003, it was not until 5 years later that he began to attract media attention when his fund achieved a 31.2 percent positive return in 2008 during the depths of the financial crisis, earning him a reputation as a contrarian investor.

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In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • Quant trend following mindset
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  • Inflation
  • GDP growth in China

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“Your book has and is changing my life…”

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Michael,

I hope this finds you well in Asia and that you have a little patience in reading my email. Patience because I am not good at writing. I felt I owed you this note. Your book has and is changing my life.

My name is Craig R., I am in my mid 50s an African American with no degree (only important to show anybody can do anything they want in this life, if you put in the work). A 35-year real estate developer, having built over 500 single family homes in my career. I have lived in Los Angeles for all of the mentioned 35 years. I was born in DC and grew up in Columbia MD, not too far from you in Virginia.

I started trading more than 25 years ago. A real estate investor who invested money in multiple projects asked me to lunch. At lunch, Michael S. told me he could teach me to trade for a living (turtle style). Michael was very impressive. At that time his primary home was in Belair and it overlooked the entire Los Angeles city basin. He also has a weekend beach house on the sand in Malibu. Mike was a licensed Attorney from Chicago, who never practiced law. He had an uncle who had a seat on the CBOE who taught him to trade. Mike taught what I now understand to be counter trend strategy. He taught rule based trading and was a very good mentor/teacher.

He charged me $50,000. $25,000 upfront and 20% of my profits until I paid the balance. He said I did not continue to need him; he would no longer require me to pay part of my profits. At that time we only traded the big S/P and then emini. Because of my success in RE I wanted to open my account with 100k. He advised against this and had me start with only 10k. Of course starting in the mid 1990’s I ran the 10k up to 1M plus in 30 months. I was probably risking 10% of my account balance per trade. I gave it all back in 90 days. He did not teach me position sizing. Nor did he understand as I do know that trading only 1 market is not very smart. More to come. Michael and I are still very good friends and we speak 4 or 5 times a year. He still uses me as a referral and I am glad to do it for him. He still trades and teaches; he now lives on the east coast. I have tried discussing my trading transformation with him but now in his 80’s he is not looking for new ideas.

My second mentor/teacher was the great Dr. Van Tharp. (I have listened to most of your recent podcasts, but I have not heard you mention his passing.) Prior to your books, Trade Your Way To Financial Freedom, The Definitive Guide to Position Sizing, and Super Trader were my 3 favorite books ever. I have read over 100 trading books. It was hard for a guy like me to be able to weed through the bullshit and to be able to find substance.

I went to North Carolina and took his 101 and 102 courses 15 years ago. The other things I take from Dr Tharp:

1. The Marble Game. I played it 10,000 times. I learned you can have 35 out of 40 losses and it does not mean your strategy is bad. Statistics! Streaks of losers lead to winners. You wrote that, paraphrase.
2. True average range. Like a golf course you have to have the right club or iron to know what to play based on the length of the hole.
3. The discipline of rule based trading. Cut risk at all costs.
4. Risk (R multiple). The key to it all.

At this time I was still trading counter trend strategies, I don’t think I understood the term trend or counter trend. But I did understand I needed to take the emotional component out of my trading. What the marble game taught me. Losing 25 of 30 trades is taxing on the emotions. I believed a trading plan can be verbalized, if that is true it can be written down on paper and if that is true I could have it programmed. This would allow me to trade many markets at a time. MY HOLY GRAIL.

It took me at least 5 or 6 programmers and 8+ years to build my first EA. It was based on 15+ years trading a counter trend strategy, big mistake. My first EA consisted of over 30,000 lines of code. I was told it was like a 300-page book with every line filled. It never worked and I was trading the dreaded 15 min bar. The market will take from you as long as you let it. It doesn’t give a fuck. By this time, I moved to the Forex, trading the big 8.

Mentor #3. I found a Los Angeles based teaching mentor Steven P., a 40+ year trader who traded as a specialist on the Pacific Stock Exchange. My major points of clarity. Counter Trend. He would say don’t fight the tape. (Never ever said trend trade, neither did Tharp.) He holds weekly zoom’s selling products to entry level traders. But I have long had the attitude that if I watch a zoom, go to a day-long webinar or read a book and take anything away to add to my trading prowess it was worth my time. He taught me the only indicator I use, it’s in every strategy I build. The BUY/SELL line, 50 day simple moving average. He gives this tip away, so I have no issue sharing. I won’t buy if the market is below 50 SMA and I won’t sell if the market is trading above. To all the buy and hold geniuses this is the only tool they need. I had subsequently built many strategies in different time frames. They have all been profitable. From 2018 to mid 2020 my partner and I made over 1400 trades (15 min bar) winning only 22% of the time. Average winner 8.25R. 100% systematic. I was starting to abandon the counter trend moving towards something new. I did not know what it was!

Quick story. November 2020 I heard a podcast with Dr. Tharp and your homie Tom Basso. At the end, Tom said he could be found on Facebook. I had not been anywhere near Facebook for 10+ years. Early 2020, I was up 200% +. That Oct/Nov I found myself down almost 40% from my high watermark. I was trading about 1.4m me and my partner’s cash and for 4 or 5 friends and family. I had just raised 1m from one guy and of course I started taking it in the rear. Still trading short time frames, overtrading. Anyway, I looked on Facebook and I found Tom’s FB page and sent a message. I typed my scenario and asked him his thoughts. To my surprise, he responded within 10 minutes stating he would prefer to talk on the phone. He said he had time and could talk NOW. I thought shit, I am not ready and I asked if we could speak this time tomorrow. I wanted not to waste his time and write down my thoughts. He said no problem. We spoke for an hour the next day. He asked us to tell him what I was doing. He said after listening for a while, hopefully, faster than this email is taking. He said I was going to be fine and that I got how the game worked. My main issue, I wanted his opinion on whether I should cut my risk in half to ease the drawdown. He told me he wouldn’t until I got back to even, and he was right. I got the 40% back within 45 days and made a new watermark. I did lose the new 1m guy. I thought I had prepared him for the risk at hand. He blamed his friend who traded with me who referred to me. Oh well. And I did send a copy of the statement when I made a new high.

Finally, Mentor #4. 3 plus years ago 2019ish as we were moving into Covid times, I found myself with a lot of time to dedicate myself back to trading. I have always had a trading presence. I have traded 65% of the time over the last 25 years. Anyway, somehow I found your turtle book … I then read your Turtle Book and although I enjoyed it I wanted more. This led me to MY NEW TRADING BIBLE. Replacing Tharp’s book as my favorite Trend Following, your turtle book, and now your book about Tom are changing my life.

Do you know the movie Angel Heart? Mickey Rourke’s character Johnny Favorite discovers during the movie that he is not who he thinks he is, and that he owes his soul to the devil, Robert De Niro. After reading your books and having traded for more than 25 years I finally know who I am. I am a TREND FOLLOWER. I am not a day trader or any other nonsense someone may want to call me. I know who I am.

The market does not care when or if you ever solve the trading puzzle. And it is a puzzle that may never be complete. That’s why it is so much fun. I read Trend Followers every year. I enjoy reading all my favorites each year with a different color highlighter. I am amazed at what I discover each time I read that I did not catch prior.

It should be noted and I have asked a couple of my mentors, none of them used or defined the term Trend Follower. I had never heard this term prior to reading your books.

This time last year and a half I have built what I think is my Trend Following masterpiece. I have come to the personal realization that although somewhat profitable, multiple strategies and trading short term time frames was not utilizing my best opportunities in the markets. I am 100% agreeing with you. I am now trading 2 EA’s 100% systemasticly. Both are based on trend following. 1. short term swing trade(4hour) clock when I deem the market is not trending, 65% of the time. A winning trade lasts around 5-8 days. My position trade, 1 day chart. I am currently trading in 15 markets. I am only in 3 trades as of this writing. I am up almost 300% on the year. I made 55% in the 1 week ending October 14th, I had 9 positions 2 weeks ago. I have made 2 additional major changes in my trading this year.

1. I have created a mechanism to turn off a sideways/non trending market.
2. I am still a work in progress, trying to capture unrealized gains. I risk 1% per trade but I need to protect my profits when I am 10R+. I typically liked to stay out of the way and let the market do its thing. I am reworking some things in this regard.

Lastly, as a huge fan. A couple final thoughts.

1. It would be great if you created a trend following conference, annually or every other year. I would come anywhere on the planet to be there.
2. Your books are legendary for those that can get and understand. You are changing my life. Thank you.
3. If you ever make it to California or the West Coast look me up. I would love to buy you the best dinner we can find.
4. Larry Hite is the coolest.

I hope my writing has not been too bad.

Sincerely,
Craig R.

Thanks for the great feedback and great ideas!


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