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Hi Michael,

I am a reader of your blog, your books and I recently started listening to your podcast (review coming soon).

You inspired me to build and trade the system… with confidence and discipline. I have a few years of discretionary trading experience, with no consistent profits.

So I’d like to start trading a mechanical trend following system.

Here is the system I came up with, inspired by [name], with my optimization of markets choice and parameters.

Enter long if EMA 150 is above EMA 350 and if we have a new 120 days High, on a closing basis. Stop 3 ATRs below last high, on close. Reverse for short.

Apply it to commodities and forex (it unfortunately is losing money on S&P and TNOTES in backtests, also some markets are not available with my broker, so this uses what I had available, about 15 markets, corn, wheat, soybean, gold, oil, forex 4 majors and a few crosses).

Here is how the result looks like:

trading the system

Compounded Annual Rate 8%, max drawdown 17%, so CAR/MDD around 0.50. This is achieved with 2% risk per trade. Position size based on ATR. Results look good, but there is a 6 year drawdown or flat period. I guess most trend following systems had a worse period, but was it that bad with other systems, too? My key question… do you think this system is good enough to trade it? I know this is my own decision, but I guess you have sees tens of trend following systems… is this system OK? Or shall I keep searching for a better one? Please advise. Thanks a lot. To be clear, of course I am not asking for an investment advise. I am asking for your perspective on the quality of this system. Thank you! I will be really grateful for your perspective.

For reference, the list of markets:

FCOPPER
FGOLD
FCORN
FNATGAS
FOIL
FRICE
FSOYBEAN
FWHEAT
AUDUSD
EURUSD
GBPUSD
NZDUSD
USDCAD
USDJPY
AUDNZD
EURAUD
EURGBP

The parameters are channel length (120 days high to go long) and two EMAs length and ATR coefficient. All parameters were solid and stable, i.e. they worked OK on a wide range, e.g. any channel above 50 is profitable. ATR any from 2.5 to 6 is profitable, etc. I also did not cherry-picked the best optimized result, but I took parameter values that had the most surrounding values positive. If I remove EMA filter, i.e. just take 120 days high, without waiting for EMAs cross, the profits (return rate) is more is less the same (slightly smaller), but drawdowns are much deeper. So I keep the EMA cross as a filter. From list of markets I removed S&P, TNOTES and DAX and Bund as it was losing money there, consistently. To make money on S&P this system needs 7*ATR stop, but then loses on commodities and forex. Would you trade it? Is the dinosaur system you are offering much superior to this one? (I noticed in the PDF you shared, the list of futures, it was tested on markets that I have no access to, such as gasoline… I wonder what would be test results of your system on my list of markets).

Thanks!
[Name]

Welcome to your journey! Remember if You are just starting out it is a good idea to read like crazy.


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Ep. 624: Do You Got Any Edge with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Do You Got Any Edge with Michael Covel
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Please enjoy my monologue Do You Got Any Edge with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio. This episode may also include great outside guests from my archive.

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  • Interview preparation
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  • Having a process
  • Gender reassignment

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Switch Your Investment Thinking, Switch Your Investment Odds

There was a great story on author Seth Godin’s web site. He had a college professor who worked as an engineering consultant. There was a 40-story office tower in Boston with a serious problem—an unsightly dark smudge was coming through the drywall. The multimillion-dollar fix would be to rip out all the drywall. Godin’s former professor was hired in a last-ditch effort. He said, “I think I can fix it, but it will cost you $45,000.” The owners instantly agreed. The professor wrote down the name of a common hardware store chemical. “Here,” he said and sent a $45,000 bill. It was a bargain.

Start here to improve your odds.

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“You’re killing it [on the trend following podcast]…”

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You’re killing it on the podcasts! Cheers!

Which podcast struck you?

I’m generalizing. This mega one I’m listening to on my commute into work (#620), is brilliant, as are many others. Loved those replays of previous great interviews (ie Ed Seykota, other market wizards etc) as I’ve only started listening to your podcasts since I bought your trading course, so I’ve missed a lot of great material from the past. Also off the top of my head I recall some good crypto stuff – which was interesting, the self defense one recently was interesting, and I bought his book. Also, it freaks me out how many Objectivist/Libertarian/Rothbardian/Hayak/Von Mises folks are in this space. I guess this is where we all hide. I wonder why that is?… perhaps no matter how screwed up your country is, you can play in the relative freedom of the markets? Don’t know. Keep up the great work!

Thanks!


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Flagship Course: “Software or web based product with indicator?”

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Hi,

I bought Michael’s trend following audiobook and I was looking at the flagship system you offer. Is this web based indicator system? I am an individual trader and investor and looking for a system which can provide a guidance and confirm my trend following assumption. I believe your system can do that however I am not sure if it is a software or web based product with indicator?

Thanks,
[Name]

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“Consistently interesting and thought provoking…”

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Hi Michael,

Thanks for another year of kick ass podcasts. Simply the best collection of broad ranged guests centered around a common sense trading and trend following theme. Even in the instances when the subject matter touches on an unrelated topic, the engaged interview is consistently interesting and thought provoking. I listen to and enjoy them all.

Happy New Year!

Sincerely,
[Name]

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Ep. 622: Whatever You Think Think the Opposite with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Whatever You Think Think the Opposite with Michael Covel
Whatever You Think Think the Opposite with Michael Covel

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Whatever You Think Think the Opposite
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