“Come On, Let’s Go Kill ‘Rich’ People!”

Man, we are sinking fast. What a backward country we have become. Bus tours to belittle “rich” people is the new thing. If you got more than $5 watch out for the populist mob headed your way! My favorite line from the article:

“Money for the needy, not for the greedy!”

Gee, ain’t that special. Define “needy”. Define “greedy”. Milton Friedman is worth watching again (from the 1970s):

This line also caught my eye:

Mary Huguley, of Hartford, said AIG executives should share their wealth with people like her sister, who is facing foreclosure. “You ought to share it, and God will bless you for doing it,” she said.

Share the wealth, eh? So where is the line drawn Mary? What is wealth to you? Is there a number in your mind and how did you arrive at it? Is it anyone who has more than you? Anyone who has more than your sister? Don’t people out there most likely have less than you and your sister? Maybe they want your wealth? And by the way how did your sister get to the point of foreclosure? Or is that question not relevant?

40 thoughts on ““Come On, Let’s Go Kill ‘Rich’ People!”

  1. You hit it right man, but ’tis no news: lower grade u r despised, upper grade u r hated (whatever the acception of “grade” may be)… so nothing new under the sun — just that maybe today it has turned compulsory with the hordes of good-for-nothings ready to lynch you, who assume (no ability for any concepts whatsoever anyway) that retaining two legs and two arms is proof enough one is a human beings….
    “on ne nait pas homme – on le devient” Nietzsche
    Anyway, equality before God ??.. let s cling to the hope. Before our peers ??.. forget it.
    U want sg ??… then go for it .
    “the real stalwart is not the warrior who will surely cut down his enemy — he who says nothing, steals out at night and launches himself wholly into the battle, HE is the real stalwart — being cut down in the process doesn t matter much, if you fight you have already won”. Hagakure.

  2. The Milton Friedman video is excellent.
    Did you notice something else about the video? The way the interviewer is actually listening to the interviewee? Not incessantly interrupting like machine gun mouthed modern-day interviewers?

  3. Nietzsche says: Egoism is the very essence of a noble soul. If that is true, than egoism is a virtue. The problem is that the egoisms of different people clash. In a large society rules are needed if you want to prevent chaos. To design those rules we would require technocrats in politics not charismatic leaders. Unfortunately people don´t vote for technocrats, instead they vote for the candidates that seem to be the most energetic and active. It is this activism that is restricting the freedom of the individual.

  4. Perhaps I’m stating the obvious…. but the REAL problem, of course, stems from the fact that the state is bailing out companies. I have no problem with there being “haves” and “have-nots” in society if the difference is based on merit, but when government props up incompetent businesses with money from competent people and businesses, the capitalist system doesn’t work. The bailouts need to stop and a hasty bottom in our economy must be found before things will turn around. Bailouts prolong the problem and allow class envy to exist with a certain amount of justification.

  5. Old Roman saying: “In medio virtus” It is in the middle that virtue is, we should always thrive get the compromise of balance things out.

  6. Ben, for the most part, you hit the nail on the head. I agree with you whole-heartedly, except for the line, “…the capitalist system doesn’t work.” Capitalism works every time it is tried. What we are doing now is not capitalism, it is nothing short of socialism. The problem is these moronic politicians have no idea what the true definition of capitalism is. Or, maybe they do know, but since they live there life in a “fairness” bubble, they have to blame what has happened on capitalism.

  7. Todd, thanks for your insight. I merely meant that government intervention is what ruins capitalism. While the economy is suffering, people are blaming the lack of regulation in capitalism, aka socialist intervention on why things have gone bad when they don’t realize that the preexisting socialistic structures are the root cause. The only government program that has ever helped the economy is cutting taxes and cutting spending!

  8. Despite the overwhelming media attention on the AIG bonus issue, a few key points have eluded many people. HR 1586, which the House passed this week, retroactively imposes a 90% federal tax on bonuses earned by employees of 11 financial companies besides AIG. Collectively, these companies have 1,250,000 employees and 7 of these 11 companies were profitable in 2008. Many of these companies never wanted or needed TARP money but were forced by the Treasury Secretary to accept it.

    Somehow, the House determined that seizing bonuses of thousands of employees at banks throughout the country is an appropriate response to a small group of AIG employees receiving contractually obligated payments. I do not support the large payments made to a handful of AIG employees nor do I support any of the bailouts. However, I do support property rights and free enterprise. I am concerned that this administration and Congress has only begun their assault on the rights of millions of Americans.

  9. This is a classic text book distraction; everyone seems to face an issue involving $160m, which is spare change compared to the $700B.

  10. I appreciate all the comments and the point of view of each, but comments are not going to change what is happening. I came from the 60’s and we marched…on Washington. It will take nothing less to fix this. When you see your bonus that you honestly worked taken in a selfish thoughtless way to sooth the masses; are you going to sit in your chair and write comments or are you going to make you voice heard?

    Yes we all complain but how much of your money are you willing to go give up before you do something about it.

  11. Chile, fair point, but there are not enough Americans to be rounded up a.) who properly understand Washington is a dirty pit of incestuous back scratching that will never change and b.) understand Austrian principles. So I don’t see an effective March any time soon. Now we may see a march where millions clamor for handouts and freebies. That seems likely.

  12. Redistribution of wealth to combat poverty is a fallacious dream of opponents of capitalism. While I sincerely believe that in order for capitalism to work you have to be guided morally, and I also believe of voluntarily being benevolent to those without means, I do not subscribe to a redistribution of wealth.
    If we take the idea further, you could literally amass all of the liquid assets of Earth’s population, distribute it so that everyone aged 18yrs of age and older would have the same amount of money. For argument’s sake, let’s say that amount would be $1000 US. I would guarantee that in 20 years from that point, most of the wealth would be back in the hands of those who had those resources to begin with.
    Not because those people are inherently evil, but because those people are skilled in making a profit and asset management.

  13. Friedman seems like a Social Darwinist to me.

    He talks about freedom but what is freedom? It is not clearly defined. More importantly, what is freedom without the benefit of rationality? Can we even be fully free without rationality?

    If you are living in a society that is expense based meaning almost everything has a price, then how are you free?

    I think that people in socialist societies are just as much slaves as people in capitalist societies are. The only difference is that they know they are slaves and through our cleaver illusion generating public relations machines, we do not fully know.

    He won an award for what? For spouting a lot of economic Social Darwinist psychobabble?

    Micheal, if people cannot be fully rational, then there is no freedom!

  14. “You ought to share it, and God will bless you for doing it.”

    I know that’s all the incentive I need. Of course my God is probably different from hers. I pray to Obama.

  15. Last Dunday I was at church and the priest was talking about the financial crises as part of his homily. He said that when you have a system whose sole purpose is the pursuit of wealth it will eventually fall back in on itself.
    After Mass I waited to speak with him. I asked if he thought capitalism is a good system. He said that he thought capitalism put money ahead of people, and that it encouraged the destruction of the planet. How’s that I asked? He said look at the way we use oil. It’s a finite resource and yet we consume it like it will never run out. We will leave future generations to freeze and starve.
    I asked him what system would he like to see instead of capitalism? He said he dedicated his life to serving his fellow man as Christ instructed us to do. But as far as an economic system goes, he thought that any system that puts money ahead of people is evil.

  16. Doug I think the priest in your example is ignorant. Not a personal attack against him, just stone cold reality.

  17. In his late teens Warren Buffet had about $20,000 to his name. He invested $2000 in a local garage that closed down a year or so later. He acknowledges that it was a $5 billion mistake, because he used the remaining $18,000 to amass a $50 billion-plus fortune. On the way he was called the world’s most uncharitable man because he didn’t give much away to charities. Now he is the history’s most charitable man, having promised $35 billion to The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

    This story shows you have to let your race horses run. If Buffet had donated $10,000 to charity in the beginning, or a few million extra along the way, his final gift would have decreased proportionately. By government removing incentives for the US economy’s race horses, they are slowing down the recovery. It’s great populist fare to say, “Who cares if these AIG people leave the company, we can run the copmany better than they did!”, but it’s not true. The government knows nothing about running AIG and by taking away the incentive for the best managers to do a good job, they will be left with a significantly less worthy asset…and the talent will leave for a better-paying competitor, or even another country.

    Anyone who has taken Economics 101 knows that when the country that’s good at making guns and the country that’s good at making butter both do what they’re good at rather than trying to be all things, overall production goes up. In other words, let the people who can make money make money. Everyone in America will ultimately benefit. That’s what made the country the powerhouse that it is. Remember, it was a populist notion to force lenders to lend money to as many people as possible so that “all could share in the American dream of owning a home” that started this mess. Keep the government out!

  18. I am Christian at heart, but Darwinist at blood — so to extend on Ben Crozier’s thread, well they are just more APT, not out of intrinsic virtue but because of osmosis with their surroundings… a leech is more apt to survive in a jungle than a pretty Karaoke girl… which doesn t mean it is intrinsically superior (depends on the girl, granted…)

  19. Why do we need money to start with?

    I am fascinated with this concept. Sure, you will often read that money is an efficient medium of exchange that assists in the facilitation of trade and commercial activity, but do we really need it?

    We all know the humankind has progressed technologically, educationally, scientifically but is still sorely lacking in wisdom!

    I remember seeing animals in the zoo and even outside my home fighting for territory. Humankind, being no better than any other animals, seems to do the same! It seems that we have not progressed as far as we would have liked! We still need money or property due to the fact that we have still not fully matured as a species.

    According to Plato, the most primitive part of humankind is appitites and for Freud it was the id. It is these animal passions that need to be controlled for us to progress further as a species. Money only further adds to them. Therefore, money is not the answer to our future salvation.

    All this time, we have been walking around blind without a cane.

  20. To David: egoism is a weapon — neither good nor bad — depends on HOW you use it, and WHAT for —
    Also, in this view DG Dye’s example is interesting; did WB build up his whole fortune out of rage, “dead carcasses” beacons on his way and now, sensing death not too far ahead (statistically), wants to buy himself an “indulgence”, a “ticket to Heaven” ??.. or did he manage to work his way up just through merit (under the Darwinian acception I mean), like he was a machine biologically/environmentally programmed to win ??…
    I think we can choose to fight – or not. But the result is not ours to predict. As simple as that. Maybe…. just MAYBE.

  21. “Francisco’s Money Speech” by Ayn Rand:

    “So you think that money is the root of all evil?” said Francisco d’Anconia. “Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can’t exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?

    “When you accept money in payment for your effort, you do so only on the conviction that you will exchange it for the product of the effort of others. It is not the moochers or the looters who give value to money. Not an ocean of tears not all the guns in the world can transform those pieces of paper in your wallet into the bread you will need to survive tomorrow. Those pieces of paper, which should have been gold, are a token of honor–your claim upon the energy of the men who produce. Your wallet is your statement of hope that somewhere in the world around you there are men who will not default on that moral principle which is the root of money, Is this what you consider evil?

    “Have you ever looked for the root of production? Take a look at an electric generator and dare tell yourself that it was created by the muscular effort of unthinking brutes. Try to grow a seed of wheat without the knowledge left to you by men who had to discover it for the first time. Try to obtain your food by means of nothing but physical motions–and you’ll learn that man’s mind is the root of all the goods produced and of all the wealth that has ever existed on earth.

    “But you say that money is made by the strong at the expense of the weak? What strength do you mean? It is not the strength of guns or muscles. Wealth is the product of man’s capacity to think. Then is money made by the man who invents a motor at the expense of those who did not invent it? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is made–before it can be looted or mooched–made by the effort of every honest man, each to the extent of his ability. An honest man is one who knows that he can’t consume more than he has produced.’

    “To trade by means of money is the code of the men of good will. Money rests on the axiom that every man is the owner of his mind and his effort. Money allows no power to prescribe the value of your effort except the voluntary choice of the man who is willing to trade you his effort in return. Money permits you to obtain for your goods and your labor that which they are worth to the men who buy them, but no more. Money permits no deals except those to mutual benefit by the unforced judgment of the traders. Money demands of you the recognition that men must work for their own benefit, not for their own injury, for their gain, not their loss–the recognition that they are not beasts of burden, born to carry the weight of your misery–that you must offer them values, not wounds–that the common bond among men is not the exchange of suffering, but the exchange of goods. Money demands that you sell, not your weakness to men’s stupidity, but your talent to their reason; it demands that you buy, not the shoddiest they offer, but the best that your money can find. And when men live by trade–with reason, not force, as their final arbiter–it is the best product that wins, the best performance, the man of best judgment and highest ability–and the degree of a man’s productiveness is the degree of his reward. This is the code of existence whose tool and symbol is money. Is this what you consider evil?

    “But money is only a tool. It will take you wherever you wish, but it will not replace you as the driver. It will give you the means for the satisfaction of your desires, but it will not provide you with desires. Money is the scourge of the men who attempt to reverse the law of causality–the men who seek to replace the mind by seizing the products of the mind.

    “Money will not purchase happiness for the man who has no concept of what he wants: money will not give him a code of values, if he’s evaded the knowledge of what to value, and it will not provide him with a purpose, if he’s evaded the choice of what to seek. Money will not buy intelligence for the fool, or admiration for the coward, or respect for the incompetent. The man who attempts to purchase the brains of his superiors to serve him, with his money replacing his judgment, ends up by becoming the victim of his inferiors. The men of intelligence desert him, but the cheats and the frauds come flocking to him, drawn by a law which he has not discovered: that no man may be smaller than his money. Is this the reason why you call it evil?

    “Only the man who does not need it, is fit to inherit wealth–the man who would make his own fortune no matter where he started. If an heir is equal to his money, it serves him; if not, it destroys him. But you look on and you cry that money corrupted him. Did it? Or did he corrupt his money? Do not envy a worthless heir; his wealth is not yours and you would have done no better with it. Do not think that it should have been distributed among you; loading the world with fifty parasites instead of one, would not bring back the dead virtue which was the fortune. Money is a living power that dies without its root. Money will not serve the mind that cannot match it. Is this the reason why you call it evil?

    “Money is your means of survival. The verdict you pronounce upon the source of your livelihood is the verdict you pronounce upon your life. If the source is corrupt, you have damned your own existence. Did you get your money by fraud? By pandering to men’s vices or men’s stupidity? By catering to fools, in the hope of getting more than your ability deserves? By lowering your standards? By doing work you despise for purchasers you scorn? If so, then your money will not give you a moment’s or a penny’s worth of joy. Then all the things you buy will become, not a tribute to you, but a reproach; not an achievement, but a reminder of shame. Then you’ll scream that money is evil. Evil, because it would not pinch-hit for your self-respect? Evil, because it would not let you enjoy your depravity? Is this the root of your hatred of money?

    “Money will always remain an effect and refuse to replace you as the cause. Money is the product of virtue, but it will not give you virtue and it will not redeem your vices. Money will not give you the unearned, neither in matter nor in spirit. Is this the root of your hatred of money?

    “Or did you say it’s the love of money that’s the root of all evil? To love a thing is to know and love its nature. To love money is to know and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best among men. It’s the person who would sell his soul for a nickel, who is loudest in proclaiming his hatred of money–and he has good reason to hate it. The lovers of money are willing to work for it. They know they are able to deserve it.

    “Let me give you a tip on a clue to men’s characters: the man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.

    “Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper’s bell of an approaching looter. So long as men live together on earth and need means to deal with one another–their only substitute, if they abandon money, is the muzzle of a gun.

    “But money demands of you the highest virtues, if you wish to make it or to keep it. Men who have no courage, pride or self-esteem, men who have no moral sense of their right to their money and are not willing to defend it as they defend their life, men who apologize for being rich–will not remain rich for long. They are the natural bait for the swarms of looters that stay under rocks for centuries, but come crawling out at the first smell of a man who begs to be forgiven for the guilt of owning wealth. They will hasten to relieve him of the guilt–and of his life, as he deserves.

    “Then you will see the rise of the men of the double standard–the men who live by force, yet count on those who live by trade to create the value of their looted money–the men who are the hitchhikers of virtue. In a moral society, these are the criminals, and the statutes are written to protect you against them. But when a society establishes criminals-by-right and looters-by-law–men who use force to seize the wealth of disarmed victims–then money becomes its creators’ avenger. Such looters believe it safe to rob defenseless men, once they’ve passed a law to disarm them. But their loot becomes the magnet for other looters, who get it from them as they got it. Then the race goes, not to the ablest at production, but to those most ruthless at brutality. When force is the standard, the murderer wins over the pickpocket. And then that society vanishes, in a spread of ruins and slaughter.

    “Do you wish to know whether that day is coming? Watch money. Money is the barometer of a society’s virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion–when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing–when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors–when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you–when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice–you may know that your society is doomed. Money is so noble a medium that is does not compete with guns and it does not make terms with brutality. It will not permit a country to survive as half-property, half-loot.

    “Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men’s protection and the base of a moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owners a counterfeit pile of paper. This kills all objective standards and delivers men into the arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values. Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to produce it. Paper is a check drawn by legal looters upon an account which is not theirs: upon the virtue of the victims. Watch for the day when it bounces, marked, ‘Account overdrawn.’

    “When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, ‘Who is destroying the world? You are.

    “You stand in the midst of the greatest achievements of the greatest productive civilization and you wonder why it’s crumbling around you, while you’re damning its life-blood–money. You look upon money as the savages did before you, and you wonder why the jungle is creeping back to the edge of your cities. Throughout men’s history, money was always seized by looters of one brand or another, whose names changed, but whose method remained the same: to seize wealth by force and to keep the producers bound, demeaned, defamed, deprived of honor. That phrase about the evil of money, which you mouth with such righteous recklessness, comes from a time when wealth was produced by the labor of slaves–slaves who repeated the motions once discovered by somebody’s mind and left unimproved for centuries. So long as production was ruled by force, and wealth was obtained by conquest, there was little to conquer, Yet through all the centuries of stagnation and starvation, men exalted the looters, as aristocrats of the sword, as aristocrats of birth, as aristocrats of the bureau, and despised the producers, as slaves, as traders, as shopkeepers–as industrialists.

    “To the glory of mankind, there was, for the first and only time in history, a country of money–and I have no higher, more reverent tribute to pay to America, for this means: a country of reason, justice, freedom, production, achievement. For the first time, man’s mind and money were set free, and there were no fortunes-by-conquest, but only fortunes-by-work, and instead of swordsmen and slaves, there appeared the real maker of wealth, the greatest worker, the highest type of human being–the self-made man–the American industrialist.

    “If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would choose–because it contains all the others–the fact that they were the people who created the phrase ‘to make money.’ No other language or nation had ever used these words before; men had always thought of wealth as a static quantity–to be seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted or obtained as a favor. Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created. The words ‘to make money’ hold the essence of human morality.

    “Yet these were the words for which Americans were denounced by the rotted cultures of the looters’ continents. Now the looters’ credo has brought you to regard your proudest achievements as a hallmark of shame, your prosperity as guilt, your greatest men, the industrialists, as blackguards, and your magnificent factories as the product and property of muscular labor, the labor of whip-driven slaves, like the pyramids of Egypt. The rotter who simpers that he sees no difference between the power of the dollar and the power of the whip, ought to learn the difference on his own hide– as, I think, he will.

    “Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to be the tool by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of men. Blood, whips and guns–or dollars. Take your choice–there is no other–and your time is running out.”

  22. I agree with Rand that money is indeed a social construction. However, is it possible for us to create alternative cultural constructions that could be equally as effective without the need for monetary exchange?

    I do agree that money is a tool and in and of itself it is not evil. The problem is not money but humankind itself that can be evil and selfish. It is the same as the phrase that “guns do not kill people, people kill people.” I think this logic applies to money as well. Therefore, I think that Rand is right money is not the problem. However, I differ from her in stating here that it is people themselves that are the problem.

    Think about the value of money itself. There is more imaginary money than real in circulation. A simple example that illustrates this would be you earning two dollars from a job. Now, at this moment, you have two dollars. Then, you decide to invest it into a bank account. Now, there are four dollars in circulation two for you and two that belong to the bank. Of these, two are imaginary. Finally, if the bank decides to lend those two dollars to someone else, then there is a total of six dollars in circulation, two for you, two for the bank and two for that man how needs the loan from the bank. Of all these amounts, only two is real and four is imaginary! Is this is a rational allocation of resources? More disturbing, how much of these resources exist in the first place?

    However, as I stated previously, the use of money or property encourages inequality much like the efficient killing offered by guns encourages their increased use followed by the negative consequences that usually follow. It is true that money is just a tool but it tends to increase the negative emotive aspects of human beings that tend to give rise to inequality and evil the the first place. If this were not true, then why is there so much poverty in the world stemming not from laziness as from a lack of opportunities to betterment simply because you do not possess enough monetary resources?

    Money does not only equal power, wealth and production but also access. Without equal access, good and hardworking people fall between the cracks and get left behind! For this society or any society to work, there must be equal access for all and just the select few that control most of society’s resources either real or imaginary.

  23. George if there is no medium of exchange we have a wasteland of Kumbaya group hugs. If you truly want to take on the likes of Rand and von Mises you better put out more of a rebuttal than a few paragraphs on my blog. Meaning just because you have a brief opinion, in direct contradiction to vast amounts of published wisdom, doesn’t mean your opinion deserves any credence. In fact, proposing no money deserves a slam.

  24. Basically, what you are saying then is that due to the fact that I am not published or well-known in my field that my opinions really do not matter.

    Thanks Micheal!

  25. My point is brief because as stated previously on other blogs, you could literally write a book on each of these points! Sure, I could elaborate but it is in doubt whether your blog has enough space to hold all that information.

    Due to the limited space and people’s generally limited attention spans, my comments have to be brief. If you want much more detail, I could write you private letters with all the details, length and trimmings you desire but here, it is simply not practical to do that.

    Finally, I am proposing what is possible like Gene Roddenberry did when he created Star Trek. Sadly, I think that you are correct, people are too stupid and greedy to be able to reorganize themselves in more beneficial ways.

    Living without money is not that far fetched Micheal. If humankind can land on the moon, break the sound barrier, master the miracle of flight etc., then it is possible so long as there is consensus and a willingness to embrace a radically different and more beneficial social structure. Remember, reality is a cultural construct guided by the principal of cultural relativism. Therefore, it is not unchangeable.

    Money, is nothing more than a cultural construct as well and like all others can be modified or completely eliminated. There are numerous examples of cultural constructs have have been modified or eliminated. For example, we no long accuse people of being witches and burn them at the stake! This was a medieval cultural construct that severed a purpose at that time but not today. A more recent example is legalization of abortion in Canada and the United States. My point: Cultures can change for either the better or worse. We are too greedy and stupid to make the right choices.

  26. I am saying your opinion is not well thought out and doesn’t begin to counter the weight of prior work. In fact, you ignore prior work. You seem to come to your conclusions in a vacuum and offer zilch as an alternative. The fact that you take it personally when someone slams your not well thought out opinion is not my concern.

  27. Micheal,

    The only way that anyone can reason with you seems to be through proven statistics. Anything less is a waste of time!

    It is sad that you cannot even entertain alternative views.

  28. Micheal,

    What about all the anthropological evidence suggesting that many more simpler societies were egalitarian. There is extensive evidence and studies demonstrating this.

    For you to say that you do not understand my point is now making you look ignorant.

  29. George, go read von Mises “Human Action” and comeback with something more than just your feelings being hurt that your opinion was slammed. No kidding things were simpler. If you want to eliminate all human progress and go back to some undefined Kumbaya society where holding hands is good and achievement is bad, be my guest. Just don’t expect me to think your direction is smart. You don’t seem to get that you are not just arguing with me. And please ultimately stay on target here. This blog will not become a fringe place where common sense is ignored. I am not one of these people who respects all opinions just because they are uttered. I know that is the way of America today (“What is your opinion?”), but if people have no clue what they are proposing, and ignore all of human progress to come to their new “solution”…expect that I will throw a crack back block hard.

  30. Micheal,

    As usual, you missed my point. I am discussing possibilities.

    I do not understand why you have to go to enormous lengths to humiliate people. Why? Do you get off on this?

    Anyway, I will be the better man here and say that you win and I lose and leave it at that. After all, it is your blog.

  31. Micheal,

    Sadly, I have decided to no longer write to you on this blog. You do not seem to have the ability to openly reason. You are far too biased in your views.

    All I was doing was to trying to explore different ideas with a person that I had great respect for, and you decided to humiliate me for no good reason.

    I know that you do not care, but as of today, I have lost respect for you. I am tired of getting my head bashed for no good reason. Find yourself another punching bag.

  32. I don’t control whether you feel humiliation for your views or not. I don’t control your feelings of being a better man or not. Those are your issues. I understand the appeal to emotion is a favorite tactic these days, but I could care less when that appeal is thrown around. And I don’t miss your point. I get it. It’s just not well thought out or wise.

  33. Michael,

    I like your approach here. I see where George is going but he never gets there. So often today we sacrifice logic and evidence for the feel-good story of the day. For example, I am getting tired of all the talk about Obama’s redistribution of wealth from people who don’t understand that the wealth has to be there to be redistributed in the first place.

    While the US is launching grand new initiatives in green energy, healthcare and international initiatives (all good things, by the way), the Chinese are using their $1.95 trillion war chest to secure their next 25 – 30 years of oil supply at $35/barrel. Any businessman will tell you, “Take care of today’s business first and then look at the future or you may not have a future to look at.” And of course, the kicker…when the Chinese are prospering in a couple years and beginning to dominate politically and economically, all the whiners will come out of the woodwork blaming some sort of global big-business conspiracy in favor of the Chinese when in fact it was just prudent planning based on facts and trend trading.

  34. I think people should listen to the group Axe Murder Boyz if they are tired of rich people who do not care about the rest of us. Here is a preview “I got anger in my blood all pumpin through my chest, gimmie the weapons and a blessin as my anger manifest, I’m a monster worse than a public official with no consceince, outta control u can’t stop us” another example “I bomb on ya tha life force of karma”

  35. It’s not just the executives,but when an Executives slashes 10,000 jobs in the US, gives himself a 100 Million bonus, then sends those jobs all overseas, what are the American people supposed to think?

    He is their direct enemy. HE made the decision to take their jobs, their car, their house, the food from their children’s mouths away, and you suggest that they should NOT want him to die?

    I make $50 an hour because I am well educated, but even that isn’t enough to make ends meet when the ENTIRE rest of your family is out of work.

    America has the most well-armed population in the history of the world and as the “economic downturn” worsens it’s going to become a powder keg.

    If we learned anything from the French Revolution it is that Democracy cannot be created unless the blood of the monarchs fills the streets. Thomas Jefferson said, “The blood of tree of liberty will need it’s roots strengthened periodically by the blood of patriots.”

    Well I’m tired of spilling my blood and working my hands to the bone working 80 hours a week because I’m the only one in my family who has a job.

    A lot of my friends, including those who make as much as me have thousands of guns, millions of bullets, as well as food and water.

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